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Prodigy is Confirmed Prime Timeline
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Yep.
IMO too much Kelvin universe design cues in Prime universe ships.
It's not like they don't draw from similar history. What an odd thing to say.
IIRC, Gene Roddenberry specifically did NOT want glowy bits on the rear ends of the warp nacelles (@Maurice would likely know if this is historically correct or not), lest they look like "rockets", which they weren't supposed to be (the TOS episode "Galileo 7" notwithstanding), but warp field generators, with the impulse engines being the primary mode of forward thrust (don't want to get into a debate over "reverse warp" usages). Trek2009 broke this tradition with having most of its capital ships (with the one possible exception of the USS Franklin) flying about with glowing rear sections on all the warp nacelles. The somewhat bulbous front-end of the nacelles also hearkened from the JJPrise design, which led to further confusion/mixed feelings on the subject.
Indeed. Remember the butterfly effect...she might not even exist in the Kelvin timeline.
I never thought it was in the Kelvin timeline, but to play devil's advocate, the IDW comic showed a Kelvin alternate future with very prime timeline looking DS9 characters.
Not looking like that.
Or Yor travelled from 2379 of the kelvin timeline to the early 2360's of the prime timeline and then jumped forward into 30th - 31st centuries.
I thought it was pretty clear Yor was a temporal soldier sent on assignment. His uniform reflected his work.
The dialogue only said Yor was a temporal soldier, and that he jumped FROM 2379 in the Kelving Timeline 2379 FORWARD and across realities... (we don't know how much forward in the Prime Timeline he jumped... but nothing was stated he went to 2360-ies first)... so the only thing we can somewhat conclude based on what was said and seen is that Yor apparently had that uniform in 2379 Kelvin Timeline (they would probably use original representation of Yor as he appeared in 2379).
Kovich speech indicates that Yor was a temporal soldier who originated from 2379... ergo the 2379 of Kelvin Timeline for some reason still uses 2360-ies uniform of the Prime timeline.
Kovach specifically used Yor to describe what's happening to Georgiou who basically achieved the same thing (albeit not by intent).
The Ent-D era uniform is either a fashion choice, or the Kelvin Timeline did 're-align' itself with the prime timeline when it comes to various things such as uniforms and for some reason decided to use them for longer...or just made them later.
My point is that the Kelvin and Prime timelines may have aligned in various events the more you go from the point of original incursion... it wouldn't have necessarily resulted in a stupidly unrecognizeable version of events in the Kelving Timeline vs the Prime timeline.
If you look at TNG Tapestry... Q clearly said to Picard nothing he does will bring about the end of Humanity or the Federation (or galaxy)... because he's too insignificant.
Something similar could have occurred in the Kelvin timeline. While various events did get changed along with some technology... on a large scale, certain things might remain more or less the same between the two timelines.
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If everyone somehow manages to exist in the mirror universe despite it being vastly different from the prime universe I think the Kelvin timeline is less of an issue.
The nacelles as far as I know are Warp field generators. Essentially, most propulsion on Trek ships and specifically Federation ships is achieved via subspace field manipulation.
This is probably how the 1701 was able to do reverse Warp too and why 'full impulse' is possible in reverse (Even if the impulse engines are on the back of the ship).
Both the impulse engines and Warp engines/nacelles generate their own individual subspace field effects which among other things allow a vessel to travel in practically any direction at FTL or sublight - because when you manipulate the FIELD, you can dictate the direction of the vessel... the 'engines' are basically field generators.
As for Gene Roddenberry not wanting glowy bits on the rear ends of the Warp nacelles... I never heard of that... but it would make sense if you think about it.
Most modern Trek wanted to introduce some kind of glowy bit to the engine to signify 'exhaust' of sorts... even though Trek ships are supposed to emit invisible exhaust (more like particles which are left in the ship's wake).
Even the USS Protostar in its opening credits is emitting trails from the aft section of the nacelles...
The glowy bits on the nacelles I can live with, but adding that kind of a trail is unnecessary. I just hope the Protostar doesn't do that at FTL, Transwarp or whatever other faster than Warp speed it may have in the actual episodes and the trail was just done for the opening credits.
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Assumption. And one that strains believability past the breaking point. It assumes, as you note, a realignment, and convoluted temporal garbage, rather than taking the idea of a temporal agent being shown in his working attire. Assuming that they took the image of Yor when he first crossed over is an odd one, to say the least.
Actually I think its you who are making too many assumptions.
We know the following:
Kovach said Yor was a time soldier who jumped forward from 2379 of the Kelvin Timeline.
This means that Yor likely ORIGINATED from 2379... and this isn't far fetched because Georgiou also originated from the past who jumped dimensions and forward in time after that.
Yor was specifically mentioned to elaborate on Georgiou's condition because he displayed the same symptoms, and Kovach also said that because the agreement to ban Temporal technology was in effect, Yor wasn't allowed to go back (which resulted in a painful death sentence for him - also confirmed from the dialogue).
So, if Yor originated from the Kelvin Timeline of 2379 (seeing how this is basically what the dialogue states), WHY would the computer give him a 2360-ies uniform and commbadge of the Prime Timeline if this is not how they dressed in that era?
Why dress in a 2360-ies uniform if he was jumping forward in time?
Nothing was said that Yor jumped back into the past (or into another era or across other timelines) after jumping forward into the Prime universe. In fact, given Goergiou's condition, it seems to me that Yor just jumped once [to the far future of the Prime Timeline (for whatever reason)] and wasn't allowed to get back because he jumped to an era just AFTER the Temporal Wars ended (at which point, he was apprehended, and it was prohibited to send him back, which is what Kovach said - it was effectively a death sentence for Yor after he started manifesting same symptoms as Georgiou).
Prime timeline Starfleet might have acquired all the information on Yor when he arrived in the future (just after the Temporal Wars) and because he started manifesting symptoms. In short, I don't think Yor knew what would happen to his body, and because he didn't know, he jeapordized his mission (whatever it may have been), allowing Starfleet to apprehend him.
Also, SF was able to analyze him in such a minute detail that they probably extrapolated all the info on him without Yor necessarily saying a lot (much like they determined that Georgiou was a Terran) - they may have retained some technology which would have allowed them to determine whether someone is a temporal agent or not and what their mission was... or Yor was especially easy to interrogate.
That's enough for me. Assume away that it is a Kelvin uniform since the dialog is not specific enough.
I am hypothesizing based on presented evidence (what was said).
So, what, the Prime timeline can 'spawn' the Kelvin Timeline, but the K.T. can't have same uniform and combadge from the Prime timeline and about 13 years after the said uniform and combadge were seen in the Prime timeline?
Is there some kind of unwritten rule that says the Kelvin Timeline MUST be completely different from the Prime Timeline and that there is 0 room for the possibility the timelines could have actually 'aligned' somewhat the further away from the Narada's incursion point we get even though we have evidence from Trek itself which demonstrates that even if you do change one thing, certain things would still unfold in exactly the same or similar capacity?
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I had to look up who TF Yor was, so I'll just leave this here:
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