Given the sheer number of Easter eggs/fan wanks present, this seems unlikely.
Talos IV death penalty in discovery-non existent
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The shitty explanation is that the USS Colombia was a vessel of United Earth and not Starfleet but that dosen’t hold water.
It does to me. We know Vulcans had and would continue to have their own science vessels. At least during the TOS era the UESPA still existed (and was operating authority to NCC-1701 for at least awhile). There are private starships as well, such as Astral Queen and Baron Grimes' ship.
Yep - remember the incidents in STD S2 are 3 years after "The Cage". General Order 7 could have been instituted after the visit by Discovery - and due to her ultimate situation, the visit was 'scrubbed' from official records.
Stuff can obviously be shoehorned in, but IMO the original intent in "The Menagerie" was that General Order 7 was issued in response to the events depicted in "The Cage." Pike's recommendation that no one visit Talos IV again after that visit in particular is right there on the first page of top secret report. It's illogical that Starfleet would wait another ten years just to enforce that advice. The response was originally intended to have been more timely than that.
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These things have to go through channels, you know. Worlds may change, galaxies disintegrate, but the government always remains the government.
The original intent of The Menagerie was to make use of some very expensive original pilot footage that they couldn't use because of the set and the cast changes.
It also doesn't make a lot of sense in that if you look at The Cage itself, the character Spock never interacted directly with any of the Talosians, yet somehow 13 years later he's able to contact the Talosian Leader secretly, and then arrange this entire plan to transport Pike back to Talos IV, including an elaborate plot to Stage a fake court-martial to make sure that Kirk and Company won't be able to stop the Enterprise from reaching Talos IV.
If anything the storyline that they did in Discovery season 2 fixed a lot of those issues that exist in The Menagerie.
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No kidding.
And in many ways, it was the simplest possible shoehorning imaginable - because so much of it was sheer imagining even in-universe.
Watching two episodes' worth of our heroes watching two episodes' worth of footage... It's probably the most mind-numbing concept for a Trek adventure ever. Better not have it make too much sense, because obviously the heroes weren't having any, either!
The Talos IV death penalty is just icing on that cake. The concept of a secret quarantine makes it impossible for us to even ask any reasonable questions, let alone get any answers.
Which all takes it to yet different level of meta. TPTB made their money delivering two episodes of cheap nonsense - and it being cheap nonsense has made it a cult classic within a cult classic. And exactly because it leaves us wanting for so much more.
Timo Saloniemi
Watching two episodes' worth of our heroes watching two episodes' worth of footage... It's probably the most mind-numbing concept for a Trek adventure ever. Better not have it make too much sense, because obviously the heroes weren't having any, either!
The Talos IV death penalty is just icing on that cake. The concept of a secret quarantine makes it impossible for us to even ask any reasonable questions, let alone get any answers.
Which all takes it to yet different level of meta. TPTB made their money delivering two episodes of cheap nonsense - and it being cheap nonsense has made it a cult classic within a cult classic. And exactly because it leaves us wanting for so much more.
Timo Saloniemi
uhm, personally I never cared much about The Cage or the Menagerie, although the first part, with Spock stealing the enterprise, is mildly exciting. I agree with the studios decision of having a second, less cerebral, pilot produced.
And somehow managed to win the 1967 Hugo award for Best Dramatic Presentation.
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Yeah but what was the competition?
The other nominees were the Trek episodes "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "The Naked Time". Also the films Fahrenheit 451 and Fantastic Voyage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Dramatic_Presentation
But at least the films Trek was up against weren't pure shit to so much film SF of the era.
I don’t remember much of Fantastic Voyage, but Fahrenheit 451 was really good and a very close rendition of what is in the book (apart from the unexplainable, dreadful new ending).
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