Think that was the whole point..........don't judge people on their appearance alone.......
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x01/02 - "Lost and Found"
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Think that was the whole point..........don't judge people on their appearance alone.......
The UT makes aliens lose their idiosyncrasies. We see this in episodes like "Dawn" from Enterprise where as soon as they speak English (thanks to the UT) the aliens no longer have their weird head motion. This is just more of the same.
Strange new worlds is going to have a TOS vibe to it so someone expecting an overly expositional and ponderous episode like TNG's S2 "Measure of a Man", or something more in the vein of classic TNG from the late 80s/ early 90s won't find it in Star Trek Strange New Worlds (if they're doing it right.)
But why Federation Standard???
I hope it won't just be TOS with better special effects. I am expecting that they'll add a few things to the original concept. I'd be disappointed if they didn't.
Why not?
I mean, it's the same reason that during most of The Hunt for Red October (to use but one example), the Russian crew speak English among themselves:
Because that's what the people WATCHING it speak.
(actually, they're still speaking Russian, we just hear English because it would be super awkward to have subtitles onscreen for two hours. Same story here. They may or may not be actually speaking English, we just HEAR it as such because it's easier for the home audience.)
On an unrelated matter: I'd really like to hear the inevitable explanation as to how the Diviner could spend so many years looking for the Protostar, when it was there the whole time...
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Indeed. This is still a show for humans, not matter the contempt held for them in the audience.
I like the show already, but I admit I feel just a tad creeped out that I'm 51 years old and just spent an hour watching a show on fucking NICKELODEON....
All we know is that Gwyn and friends (and possibly Dal) were speaking "Standard". Not necessarily Federation Standard (which was introduced in Discovery as another term for English). My assumption is they're all speaking some sort of common lingua franca that the show is referring to as Standard.
There is the cat boots/cahoots fiasco, but I assume that it was some other native wordplay that they simply interpreted for us in terms we can understand. Most everyone else is speaking their own language.
It would've been neat if we didn't hear a single English word until the combadge was discovered, but that would've required shifting some scenes and rewriting a little bit.
That's also how I interpreted the bit about "the Delta" in the scene with the Kazon.
They didn't say Delta QUADRANT, just Delta. May have been the same thing, may have been something completely different. In any case, it's just an odd bit of alien slang that can be dismissed as such. It's really not that important.
Not the same thing Nerys is asking. The Russians in Red October are speaking Russian, not English. A couple of the characters in this show are speaking Standard, probably not Federation Standard (i.e. English). Hologram Janeway is the only character in the episode who probably speaks English (although she could be "speaking" some sort of easy to translate Linguacode, that is then translated into Tellaran, Brikarri, Medusan, and Standard... and also English for most of us).
And isn't it just a tad convenient that the Starfleet delta is just laying around on the Protostar's bridge for Rok-Tahk to find and activate, thus powering up the whole ship and enabling the translator function?
This is what's leading me to suspect that the ship was intentionally planted there, by Starfleet, for them to find.
This is what's leading me to suspect that the ship was intentionally planted there, by Starfleet, for them to find.
That's also how I interpreted the bit about "the Delta" in the scene with the Kazon.
They didn't say Delta QUADRANT, just Delta. May have been the same thing, may have been something completely different. In any case, it's just an odd bit of alien slang that can be dismissed as such. It's really not that important.
"The Delta" is Gwyn's translation of the Kazon speech for the region of space that he got all the orphans from. Obviously an exaggeration, but it could be that Gwyn is speaking English, and figured out he meant everything from that corner of the galaxy, or the Federation concept of four quadrants have permeated to the Kazon (and Standard-speakers), perhaps from their dealings with Seska and Voyager.
I don't see "Delta" as anything more than a translation for our sake of the basic region of space the Kazon and Gwyn were speaking about, maybe smaller or bigger or differently bordered than the true Delta Quadrant, but gives us a general idea of the setting.
Or maybe the show takes place inside the extradimensional Delta Triangle and we're all wrong.
And why on shows like Hogan's Heroes and Mission: Impossible, an American/Canadian/English actor faking a bad foreign accent fools the natives when they're impersonating someone.
This episode with the Medusan made me go back and watch "Is there in truth no beauty" for the first time in like 20 years, and I was reminded why I did not watch the episode in 20 years. The Medusans make humans go insane because they are ugly. Not because humans are overpowered by their overwhelming essence or some other sci fi concept, no dude is just so ugly. What an odd choice. Also there is some unfortunate dialog in the episode. "Why don't you stop being a psychologist, and start being a woman."
I’ve been looking forward to Prodigy’s premiere for a while now, both as a Trek fan, and as a one time educator, childcare professional, and child advocate. I studied early childhood development & education and taught before working as a nanny, and then helping to produce educational children’s media, and I tend to judge kids’ programming fairly harshly. From its initial announcements I’ve felt confident that Prodigy could be a great series based on the past work I’ve seen from the Hagemans.
So this week I sat down to watch the two part premiere with my nephew with an open mind, and we both loved it. He’s already gotten really into Star Trek starting with the newer shows and really enjoys both Lower Decks and Discovery (especially Lower Decks, slapstick comedy is one of his favorite things in the world right now), and has gotten through the first couple seasons of TNG. He had already considered himself a kid who was a fan of Star Trek, but after we watched Prodigy he immediately asked me to start watching DS9 & Voyager! We ended up watching the 2 part DS9 premiere Friday night, and then the first 7 episodes Saturday, and this morning watched the 2 part Voyager premiere.
I know that Prodigy is designed/created to be a perfect entry point for kids with no exposure to Star Trek, and my nephew isn’t exactly that specific target audience as a result, since he was already on board with the franchise, but he is a kid who’s interest in Trek was given a big boost by Prodigy’s premiere, and who thoroughly enjoyed the episode. So in that sense, it was very successful.
I’m sold on the voice cast and story, and was impressed with the animation. Loving the characters, and the voice actors have done a great job of establishing personalities in a very short amount of screen time. The visuals were lush and beautiful, and have set some very high standards for the series by the show’s director Ben Hibon. The stage has been set well for the season’s mystery/arc, having whet my appetite with the hints and Easter eggs!
The questions are many! What brought all those Alpha & Beta Quadrant/Federation races, and the Protostar, to the Delta Quadrant? How does Solum know about it, and how can he have been looking for the Protostar for years, with his daughter Gwyn having never been to space/left Tars Lamora, if it has a Hologram Janeway that one would think was created after Voyager’s return to the Alpha Quadrant, no more than five years before Prodigy takes place.
I can’t wait to get to know these kids better, and to find out what this larger mystery is all about.
So this week I sat down to watch the two part premiere with my nephew with an open mind, and we both loved it. He’s already gotten really into Star Trek starting with the newer shows and really enjoys both Lower Decks and Discovery (especially Lower Decks, slapstick comedy is one of his favorite things in the world right now), and has gotten through the first couple seasons of TNG. He had already considered himself a kid who was a fan of Star Trek, but after we watched Prodigy he immediately asked me to start watching DS9 & Voyager! We ended up watching the 2 part DS9 premiere Friday night, and then the first 7 episodes Saturday, and this morning watched the 2 part Voyager premiere.
I know that Prodigy is designed/created to be a perfect entry point for kids with no exposure to Star Trek, and my nephew isn’t exactly that specific target audience as a result, since he was already on board with the franchise, but he is a kid who’s interest in Trek was given a big boost by Prodigy’s premiere, and who thoroughly enjoyed the episode. So in that sense, it was very successful.
I’m sold on the voice cast and story, and was impressed with the animation. Loving the characters, and the voice actors have done a great job of establishing personalities in a very short amount of screen time. The visuals were lush and beautiful, and have set some very high standards for the series by the show’s director Ben Hibon. The stage has been set well for the season’s mystery/arc, having whet my appetite with the hints and Easter eggs!
The questions are many! What brought all those Alpha & Beta Quadrant/Federation races, and the Protostar, to the Delta Quadrant? How does Solum know about it, and how can he have been looking for the Protostar for years, with his daughter Gwyn having never been to space/left Tars Lamora, if it has a Hologram Janeway that one would think was created after Voyager’s return to the Alpha Quadrant, no more than five years before Prodigy takes place.
I can’t wait to get to know these kids better, and to find out what this larger mystery is all about.
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Nope.
I’m not sure that it was called that in canon before discovery, but English has been referred as “federation standard” for decades in related literature.
I got exactly the same impression.
Yeah, that aspect of the episode always bothered me...that constant overuse of the term "ugly" when something like "disturbing' would have been more appropriate to the concept.
Well, we all have our thing.
I kind of like it in a way. Kind of breaks the trope attractive aliens.
That's also how I interpreted the bit about "the Delta" in the scene with the Kazon.
They didn't say Delta QUADRANT, just Delta. May have been the same thing, may have been something completely different. In any case, it's just an odd bit of alien slang that can be dismissed as such. It's really not that important.
This is what I think, too. I think "delta" (lower case "d" meaning - on Earth anyway - when a river runs into a sea) was merely a subtle name drop, and not referring to the Delta (upper case "D") Quadrant.