Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

[wayoung]

@wayoung If Warner Media says that they're happy with how Dune Part 1 performs on HBO Max and want to greenlight/commission Part 2, I very seriously doubt that Legendary Pictures is going to say "No".

They will if their investors refuse to fund it which happened with the Kelvinverse films.

Or if the company buying them doesn't want a sequel on their books if the first one takes a loss.

Or if the incoming exec teams for either WB or Legendary don't want it for whatever petty reasons (like what killed the last, hugely successful, Dune TV franchise).

There's a lot of factors here. And the best way to jump past most of them was a monster box office. That didn't happen.

I think the best sign will be if The Sisterhood leaves development hell. Pre production on it froze while they waited for the movies results. If it starts up again, then everyone involved is happy enough to risk more money, and future exec teams may be stuck with continuing it as scrapping it means no return on invested funds.

 

[EmoBorg]

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[FPAlpha]

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Sometimes i really love the Internet and its crazy inhabitants.

 

[wayoung]

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I literally missed that in the movie because I had to go pee. I thought I'd be missing the banquet scene, but I guess they completely cut it which makes sense. A lot of people love it but it does grind everything to a halt.

 

[Marc]

I literally missed that in the movie because I had to go pee. I thought I'd be missing the banquet scene, but I guess they completely cut it which makes sense. A lot of people love it but it does grind everything to a halt.

even though Paul does good job of cutting some-one down to size.

 

[wayoung]

Legendary is doing a Kickstarter (ugghhh, I hate when massive corporations do this) for a graphic novel based on the movie. It has some cool stuff, but you have to pay like $250 USD (plus shipping) to get the package that contains them. Now, if the spice they are giving out was actually prop spice from the film that might up the value, but since they don't say that it is I'm pretty sure that it isn't, just copper shavings that "symbolize" the spice.

So far 1 person has paid the $2,500 to appear in the comic book.

Dune: The Official Movie Graphic Novel of the acclaimed film, via @Kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/project...icial-graphic-novel?ref=android_project_share

 

[wayoung]

Cross posting this on both the Dune 2 & this thread, since it affects both films:

Variety is reporting today that it is indeed Legendary holding up approval of Dune Part 2. The reason is not clear, but is suspected to be due in part to negotiations to prevent day 1 digital release for the sequel. Variety also states that WB did pay off Legendary & the cast and crew so that the theatrical box office isn't as important as it normally would be, which is great news.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/dune-sequel-denis-villenevue-1235097103/

 

[thribs]

I don’t get why they keep going on about this digital thing. Nolan was similar.
The HBO Max day one digital deal was only for one year. The potential sequel would be cinema only.
They act that WB want it to be on digital platforms but they know it’ll make more money from cinemas. They’re not stupid.
WB are making HBO Max exclusive movies to fill up the gap.

 

[wayoung]

I don’t get why they keep going on about this digital thing. Nolan was similar.
The HBO Max day one digital deal was only for one year. The potential sequel would be cinema only.
They act that WB want it to be on digital platforms but they know it’ll make more money from cinemas. They’re not stupid.
WB are making HBO Max exclusive movies to fill up the gap.

I suspect the biggest issue is that WB did it unilaterally without even bringing up the possibility to anyone at Legendary or involved in the making of the movie. Villeneuve found out from the news.

They fucked them over once like that, I totally get not trusting them not to do it or something similar again and wanting an airtight contract to prevent it.

 

[thribs]

Perhaps but I’m sure WB financed the movie so it’s theirs to do what they wish with it.
That is true that there were issues when they announced this HBO Max deal but they sorted it all out with a new deal which made everyone happy.
You’d think they would see the reasoning why did it; with the pandemic and all.

 

[thribs]

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I want someone to replace that hologram Paul watches with the Freman walk with John Cleese doing a silly walk.

 

[wayoung]

Perhaps but I’m sure WB financed the movie so it’s theirs to do what they wish with it.
That is true that there were issues when they announced this HBO Max deal but they sorted it all out with a new deal which made everyone happy.
You’d think they would see the reasoning why did it; with the pandemic and all.

Legendary financed the movie. Legendary owns the rights to Dune. WB bought the rights to distribute the movie, for about $33 mil.

WB and Legendary apparently came to a deal at some point, but negotiations were long and people were pissed. Villeneuve wrote an open letter saying that WB betrayed him and killed the franchise. Saying everyone is happy now is quite the stretch. Villeneuve has still been making comments about how fucked up this is and has been, even while putting on a happy face for marketing. If Part 2 doesn't get made my money is on a lot of tea being spilt, and lawsuits that will make ScarJo's Disney suit look like small potatoes.

 

[thribs]

All this hubbub for maybe an extra 20 million at the box office perhaps? It’s just hard to side with the director here as all WB did was make the film more accessible during this troubled time.
Keep in mind this was only in the Colonies. Everywhere else they had only the cinema to go to.
This “killing the franchise” line is just silly. If more people saw the first movie then interest will be higher for the second.

 

[wayoung]

All this hubbub for maybe an extra 20 million at the box office perhaps? It’s just hard to side with the director here as all WB did was make the film more accessible during this troubled time.
Keep in mind this was only in the Colonies. Everywhere else they had only the cinema to go to.
This “killing the franchise” line is just silly. If more people saw the first movie then interest will be higher for the second.

Honestly, this has been discussed ad nauseum already in this thread and I'm pretty bored with it. It comes down to economics of scale and unilateral decision making. If this is the reason for the delay, then Legendary & Villeneuve feel they need better contracts to protect themselves and random users posting on a message board aren't going to convince them otherwise. And if it's not a big deal, and it won't happen again, then why is it Legendarys fault for asking and not WB's fault for not agreeing? After all, it was a one time thing, they should be able to agree without hesitation....

 

[Noname Given]

They will if their investors refuse to fund it which happened with the Kelvinverse films.

^^^
What happened with the Kelvinverse films was - #4 WAS greenlight, HOWEVER - based on the performance of ST: B, Paramount DIDN'T want to honor the contracts that they had the principals sign, Paramount wanted to renegotiate to pay them less. That wasn't an 'investor demand'; that was the usual Paramount shoddy management - and wasn't something exclusive to the Styar Trek franchise as Paramount did this type of things with their talent contracts all the time.

And the principals refused. If Paramount wasn't going to honor the contracts they had them sign in the first place, they weren't interested in doing the project.

 

[wayoung]

^^^
What happened with the Kelvinverse films was - #4 WAS greenlight, HOWEVER - based on the performance of ST: B, Paramount DIDN'T want to honor the contracts that they had the principals sign, Paramount wanted to renegotiate to pay them less. That wasn't an 'investor demand'; that was the usual Paramount shoddy management - and wasn't something exclusive to the Styar Trek franchise as Paramount did this type of things with their talent contracts all the time.

And the principals refused. If Paramount wasn't going to honor the contracts they had them sign in the first place, they weren't interested in doing the project.

And why did they want to lower the fees? Because the financiers refuse to pay the proposed budget, so Paramount had to cut costs to a level that could get funding for.

 

[thribs]

I would have just got rid of Hemsworth, give the extra money to Pine and pay a cheaper actor to play his dad.

 

[crookeddy]

I would have just got rid of Hemsworth, give the extra money to Pine and pay a cheaper actor to play his dad.

Hemsworth's popularity is the only reason they wanted to do this dad story in the first place.

 

[thribs]

Hemsworth's popularity is the only reason they wanted to do this dad story in the first place.

You say that but his non Thor movies don’t do that well. I don’t think he would have been a big draw.

 

[JD]

Even if the Thor movies "didn't do that well", he's still managed to become a huge A-Lister thanks to playing the character, and having him back for the 4th Kelvinverse movie was a big deal.

He said television. He didn't say network television. Streaming services have a couple prestige productions and then a shit ton of whatever content they can buy cheap and throw an "original" label on, and then unless it's a flagship production kill it after one season if it's a show. AMC, FX, HBO itself, etc - all still TV.

Name one good original production on streaming and I'll name 100 that are absolute garbage direct to VHS quality productions they threw on just to increase their catalogue. Hell, its become a common joke that streaming services will greenlight anything - Rick and Morty even did an entire episode about it two years ago.

Just because some of the shows on the services aren't great doesn't change the fact that the big shows on there have taken on a massive scale that is beyond anything on TV. Just look at the shit loads of money Amazon has thrown at Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings, hell they built an entire studio just for WoT. And look at the number of big name stars who have done streaming shows, but don't do TV.

The networks are completely different though. Shows on then tend to be simpler and have much higher ratings than anything on cable.

Yeah, and while cable is a step up from that it's still not quite at the level of the top streaming.
I tend to think of filmed entertainment as having a hierarchy of prestige.
From least to most:

• Direct to DVD/Blu-Ray
• Network TV
• Cable TV
• Premium Cable
• Streaming
• Movies