They’re also offworlders. They have just been there longer. Even the bloody worms aren’t native.
Poll Dune (2021) Spoiler/Rating Thread
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They’re also offworlders. They have just been there longer. Even the bloody worms aren’t native.
They probably got there fleeing Burt.
I must have read the original trilogy 3-4 times, albeit 40 years or so ago, but I thought the first part stuck pretty closely to the first book, which made me love it.
I thought all the actors were great, especially Challamette and Ferguson (mom). Only one I couldn’t get into was Brolin as Gurney. Straight up hard ass with no chill. Dave Bautista as Beast Rabban was pitch perfect.
They hit all my fav stuff and with the right amount of dignity. The Gom Jobbar scene was well done, as was the scene where Jessica and Mapes get acquainted.
Also, for whatever reason, I love the scene where Dr. Keynes goes to lock down Paul’s srillsuit and notices he’s already rolling Fremen style. Loved the appropriate use of the Litany Against Fear.
The only aspect of the production that bothered me was the narrative voiceover,. I know it was framed as part of Paul’s learning about Arrakis, which was good, but it still reminded me of the Allen Smithee cut from the 80’s.
I liked the way they depicted The Voice. At first I thought they’d just leave it to our imaginations, but they came up with some bizarre sound effects that worked for me. Jessica’s refusal or give Paul any slack on his Voice technique was funny.
Zendaya as Channi also appears to me to be perfect casting. Her low key assurances to Paul that Jamis would def kill him seemed quite sincere. So far I’m liking the Fewmen, Stilgar in particular.
Love that they’re leaning heavily into the political aspect of the story. I think the ‘84 movie veered off course into some plot involving a new secret Fremen weapon or something.
All in all, a very good start.
I thought all the actors were great, especially Challamette and Ferguson (mom). Only one I couldn’t get into was Brolin as Gurney. Straight up hard ass with no chill. Dave Bautista as Beast Rabban was pitch perfect.
They hit all my fav stuff and with the right amount of dignity. The Gom Jobbar scene was well done, as was the scene where Jessica and Mapes get acquainted.
Also, for whatever reason, I love the scene where Dr. Keynes goes to lock down Paul’s srillsuit and notices he’s already rolling Fremen style. Loved the appropriate use of the Litany Against Fear. The only aspect of the production that bothered me was the narrative voiceover,. I know it was framed as part of Paul’s learning about Arrakis, which was good, but it still reminded me of the Allen Smithee cut from the 80’s.
I liked the way they depicted The Voice. At first I thought they’d just leave it to our imaginations, but they came up with some bizarre sound effects that worked for me. Jessica’s refusal or give Paul any slack on his Voice technique was funny.
Zendaya as Channi also appears to me to be perfect casting. Her low key assurances to Paul that Jamis would def kill him seemed quite sincere. So far I’m liking the Fewmen, Stilgar in particular.
Love that they’re leaning heavily into the political aspect of the story. I think the ‘84 movie veered off course into some plot involving a new secret Fremen weapon or something.
All in all, a very good start.
It is the difference in media. Books get to tell everything in words. Ideally they don't spend a great deal of time explaining things outright but provide us in action examples to show us what happens. Movies can do that differently. So a good adaption can completely alter some aspects of the story to take what works best in print and convert it to what works best on film. Dune is full of things were I can see that would work and improve the story on film. David Lynch stuck to what was in the books and didn't deviate too much from the book (except the ending which was radically different, but it was also intended to be a stand alone movie). The SciFi Channel version also added scenes to flesh out a few characters. Good added scenes are pulled from information in the books or convey information in the books in a more visual way. Good adaptions keep the core of the story intact and only make changes that will improve it for a different media.
The SciFi Channel version did not do a very good job in my opinion. I think the 1984 version sticks much closer to the book (especially when you add in the parts that were cut from the film and readded to the extended version, though that version really sucks because it was done so badly). But the SciFi version continued on with the following two books and was really outstanding in that respect.
Not paying attention in school, not completing school, not interested in books or history.
Assuming knowledge is universal is ignoring a lot of possibilities.
As far as I'm concerned, not knowing the Titanic sank and considering that a spoiler is like a movie being out for 6 months and still expecting spoiler tags. As far as I'm concerned, spoilers are for surprises and twists in the story, things you wouldn't expect. Changes form the book in movie adaptions. Especially when a director is trying to be accurate to the book.
Fair enough.
I'm more liberal with my spoiler tags because my experience is not everyone knows what I know. I find it more polite.
There was definitely an ostrich involved.
What were the last big multi cinema trip movies ?I've been watching YouTube reaction videos today as well, from people going in completely blind, and they are hooked, totally wrapped up in the film. So on that score Denis completely nailed it to the wall. They all want to see the second half, and a few are saying they want to go to the theater and watch it again in IMAX.
Endgame obviously had the whole "I've seen it 20 time in 30 different cinemas" hype
Mad Max Fury Road/FR Blood & Chrome had similar "street cred" with sci-fi film buffs
Other than that Avatar is the only other movie that was the same
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey was for myself and my wife and her various Tolkien fan friends.
I saw Far From Home twice on the big screen. But I also saw Captain Marvel twice and Black Panther four times, so maybe I'm not the best gauge.
Is this a serious question?
^^^I didn't realize it was a "Part I" until I saw it in the opening credits. I sure hope they finish the story...they can't leave it there!
"A"
I was the same way. I first read the Book in 1978; and I remember even in 1983 when I heard they were doing a film adaptation, thinking there was no way they could adapt certain aspects (like the unspoken communications between a myriad of characters and factions without a running track of subtitles in addition to what the characters were vocalizing
) <--- And I was right. The 1984 film was interesting but I HATED how they portrayed Baron Harkonnen - and where the 'heart plug' bits of that film came from I have NO IDEA...
I also saw the miniseries and while it was better, it still wasn't all that great an adaptation either.
This one I liked a lot, and it is the best of the three; and WAY above the other two attempts. I loved that they did do just enough examples of 'secret communications' both by the use of different known and in 8000+ years, obscure foreign languages; as well as hand, and other signal types that they DID use subtitles to clue the audience in. I thought they did just enough to pay nice homage to that aspect of the Novel.
I also thought the characterizations of Duke Leto, Jessica, Duncam Idaho and Barron Harkonnen were very well done and a lot closer to the Book (especially the Barron Harkonnen and Stilgar) then the previous two adaptation attempts. I thought the actor playing Paul was okay; but I do wish Kyle MacLachlan could have been de-aged to how he appeared in 1983/84 because I always liked his casting as Paul in the 1984 film; and given a better script like the one in this film would have shined in the role...but yeah, ain't gonna happen.
The gender change of Liet wasn't an issue at all and the actress did fine as the character.
The only thing I was disappointed in was the absence of any of the deeper Mentat societal sub culture that was (IMO) also a interesting aspect of the story. Yes, the characters of Thufir Hawat and Piter De Vries are in the film; but there was nothing shown of the special abilities of Mentats and why they are so needed, etc. The same could be said of the Imperial Physician aspect of how it's impossible to break their conditioning - and thus why they are so trusted to care for a Highborn and his family in a time where the Elite are avoiding assignation attempts on a near daily basis <--- Buti that aspect wasn't as integral to some aspects of the story as the Mentats are; and yeah, both of the Mentat characters are just kind of glossed over and shown as high ranking and competent military advisors - but no aspect of them being 'Human Computers - calculating a myriad of possibilities/outcomes to perform in such a role<---- And for me that's one failing of this adaptation; but I guess someone figured they had enough 'secret society culture specifics' to impart to the audience and didn't see that as integral in the story from first book. I was also a bit disappointed that they never bothered to show on screen, one of more of the ships (or Navigators) bending spacetime to travel between the stars because THAT is a major aspect of the story as tp why Arrakis is so vital to current human interstellar civilization; and yeah, it's mentioned - but it's something they should have shown being done too. (Perhaps Part 2, if it gets to be made.)
So yeah, I still give this an A.
I liked it a lot; but like the poster In quoted, I too (having avoided spoilers because yeah, I still figured they couldn't do a decent adaptation; and my desire to see a good adaptation of book has waned a bit) - I was surprised to see the "Part One" in the film title when I watched it on HBO MAX and just thought - Damn, if they don't get a "Part Two" - good or bad, this will be a half finished work...great...
I hope it does well enough that they DO get to do "Part 2"; but we'll see.
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I read Part Two has been greenlit.
You read wrong. It has not.
Saw Dune at home on HBO MAX. I’m OK with not seeing it in the theater.
In short: Killer production design. Too sepia and murky in places. I got bored at the 2 hour mark. Not a fan of Hans Zimmer’s score. Except for Jason Mamoma and Oscar Issac, everyone's performances were flat.
But I'm over white saviors and stories of rich peeps controlling our destiny.
And yes, I have read the books, up to God Emperor, and the first book was one of my faves in high school.
In short: Killer production design. Too sepia and murky in places. I got bored at the 2 hour mark. Not a fan of Hans Zimmer’s score. Except for Jason Mamoma and Oscar Issac, everyone's performances were flat.
But I'm over white saviors and stories of rich peeps controlling our destiny.
And yes, I have read the books, up to God Emperor, and the first book was one of my faves in high school.
Depends on how you look at it. It's also a tale of poor people using a rich guy to exact a very bloody revenge on everyone.