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Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

wayoung said:
He said television. He didn't say network television. Streaming services have a couple prestige productions and then a shit ton of whatever content they can buy cheap and throw an "original" label on, and then unless it's a flagship production kill it after one season if it's a show. AMC, FX, HBO itself, etc - all still TV.

Name one good original production on streaming and I'll name 100 that are absolute garbage direct to VHS quality productions they threw on just to increase their catalogue. Hell, its become a common joke that streaming services will greenlight anything - Rick and Morty even did an entire episode about it two years ago.
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Ah, see, that's where I think my definition may be off. To me, "television" is free.

Hbo, AMC, etc, is not and so to me isn't "television". But my definition may be outdated. But also, maybe all of ours is. What's the difference between Netflix and AMC, really, if it's all watched on television... is it simply when/how a show is scheduled?

I've never had/paid for cable or anything, so there's always been a distinction to me.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Ah, see, that's where I think my definition may be off. To me, "television" is free.

Hbo, AMC, etc, is not and so to me isn't "television". But my definition may be outdated. But also, maybe all of ours is. What's the difference between Netflix and AMC, really, if it's all watched on television... is it simply when/how a show is scheduled?
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That's been our point. There is no difference. One isn't inherently better or more prestigious than the other.
 
Ok so 40.1 million opening in the United States. That exceeds all expectations by almost 10 million. That part is good, but is it good enough? I think the movie will need legs now to end up making a profit.
 
crookeddy said:
Ok so 40.1 million opening in the United States. That exceeds all expectations by almost 10 million. That part is good, but is it good enough? I think the movie will need legs now to end up making a profit.
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Here's the link:

https://variety.com/2021/film/box-o...opening-weekend-timothee-chalamet-1235096320/

It's good in that they had lowered expectations to $32 max based on Thur & Fri numbers, so it over performed hugely Sat compared to them. Fingers crossed Sunday also over performs and we end up even higher. It's also good in that it's better than BR 2049.

But it's still not good overall. It's still the worse major opening this fall, and that includes Halloween Kills, which also debuted digitally same day and only cost $10 mil vs Dune's $165 plus massive marketing.

HBO streaming numbers are the big question, and we'll never get them. Since Dune skews older it could very well be a massive audience watching it at home, not wanting to deal with theatres yet. How much it drops next weekend will also be a big factor - if the digital release kills subsequent weekend box Office returns like happened with Black Widow.
 
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M'rk son of Mogh said:
My point is the stuff you pay for is far superior to what what you don't. Since it's more... prestigious.
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Only when you ignore the vast majority of TV as not being "real tv" because you need a cable or satellite package to watch it. Which is hugely "You-Centric". I can't get NBC, CBS, or ABC without paying for them, no different to me in that regard from AMC, HBO, or FX.
 
wayoung said:
Only when you ignore the vast majority of TV as not being "real tv" because you need a cable or satellite package to watch it. Which is hugely "You-Centric". I can't get NBC, CBS, or ABC without paying for them, no different to me in that regard from AMC, HBO, or FX.
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It's literally called "free to air". That's not "me-centric" by any definition I'm aware of.
 
crookeddy said:
He's right though, they are considered network channels and are treated differently by most of the public.
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His statement is that TV is only free channels. Anything you have to pay for isn't TV, it's different. That cable channels aren't considered TV because there are charges for them.

Those channels are only available free to a certain population, and even then most of that population still pays for them in cable or satellite packages along with those other channels he says aren't TV. They aren't watching them free. Very few people are.
 
wayoung said:
His statement is that TV is only free channels. Anything you have to pay for isn't TV, it's different. That cable channels aren't considered TV because there are charges for them.

Those channels are only available free to a certain population, and even then most of that population still pays for them in cable or satellite packages along with those other channels he says aren't TV. They aren't watching them free. Very few people are.
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The networks are completely different though. Shows on then tend to be simpler and have much higher ratings than anything on cable.
 
crookeddy said:
The networks are completely different though. Shows on then tend to be simpler and have much higher ratings than anything on cable.
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That's nothing to do with what he said. His explanation is that TV is free, and anything you pay for isn't TV.

My point is the stuff you pay for is far superior to what what you don't. Since it's more... prestigious.
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Ah, see, that's where I think my definition may be off. To me, "television" is free.

Hbo, AMC, etc, is not and so to me isn't "television".
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So therefore according to him, cable channels are not TV. Which is a messed up definition, and also extremely centric to just him as most people do pay for those stations. Very few watch them for free.
 
Sketcher said:
You guys think you're confused. I watch everything on a laptop...
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My live tv subscription is all streaming through an app no different than Netflix, and I only pay for it to get cheaper internet :shrug:. They actually got rid of tv boxes and give everyone Chromecasts now and tell them to use their phones
 
This whole "real TV" debate is ridiculous.

With regards to Dune, Warner Media has already signalled that their decision about whether or not Dune Part 2 gets made is going to be heavily based on how the film performs during the 4-week period in which it's available on HBO Max according to their own internal metrics, so how well it did or continues to do in traditional theaters is but a small part of the equation.
 
DigificWriter said:
This whole "real TV" debate is ridiculous.
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Completely agree.

With regards to Dune, Warner Media has already signalled that their decision about whether or not Dune Part 2 gets made is going to be heavily based on how the film performs during the 4-week period in which it's available on HBO Max according to their own internal metrics, so how well it did or continues to do in traditional theaters is but a small part of the equation.
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If Warner was the only one concern, yes, but they aren't. They didn't make the movie they don't have the rights. This isn't an in house production like the DCEU. Legendary needs to make their money back too, and Legendary needs to show their investors why they should invest in Dune part 2 if the original had the weakest opening weekend all fall, when the investors can't make 5 times their money in the same opening weekend investing in horror films. They also don't want to tank valuation in a sale by supporting financially failing franchises. Legendary gets a bigger chunk of theatrical earnings than streaming. This has been a contention ever since the announcement was made.

There's too much behind the scenes stuff with Dune. Had it opened to $100 mil that would be different. It would be a garunteed sequel, with the caveat that incoming exec teams and ownership teams can and will kill anything.

But it didn't make $100 mil. It made $40. So until the cameras start rolling, we aren't really going to know
 
Seems to have done well in the Colonies at the box office. I’m sure we will get part 2 in a few years. Before or after Avatar 2 is the question
 
@wayoung If Warner Media says that they're happy with how Dune Part 1 performs on HBO Max and want to greenlight/commission Part 2, I very seriously doubt that Legendary Pictures is going to say "No".
 
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