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Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

Just got back from seeing this and holy hell, and not in a good way.

I'm not as susceptible to ending fatigue as a lot of people seem to be – Return of the King extended edition is fine by me – but that needed to end like an hour sooner. I really thought we were at the climax with
the attack on house Atreides, Paul and his mother lost in the desert, and Duncan's unknown fate
but then it kept going. And going. And going. And I couldn't care about learning the ways of the Fremen hierarchy after I'd just digested 90 minutes of space empire politics and at one point I started thinking about what I need to do at work on Monday before I realized Paul was fighting some guy, which is not a good sign to put it mildly.

Unfortunately, this adaptation underlines that problem I had with the book and the Lunch adaptation, which is that Paul just isnt a very interesting character. Up until he joins the Fremen, he's basically a Macguffin to be kicked around and talked about by the other characters. He has no goals of his own, no plans, so apparent desires outside of going along with whatever is happening around him, and I wondered at multiple points why he needed to be our viewpoint character at all. There's plenty of other characters with more agency than him who could serve. Duke Leto, for example. Or Lady Jessica. I know the story is supposed to deconstruct the "chosen one" archetype, so having him be passive and easily manipulated is the point, but it's not fun or engaging to watch. It's no coincidence that my favorite part of the movie was House Atreides trying to get Arakkis under control because Paul was barely on screen.

Denis has said in interviews that he learned a lesson from Blade Runner 2049 about how not to make more of a crowd pleaser in Dune (paraphrasing because I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was about avoiding another BR2049 box office failure), but I could not disagree more. Dune is everything that people accused BR2049 of being – overlong, self-indulgent, dull. A big step backwards for Vellenuve, unfortunately.
 
Thought I'd share this groundbreaking reporting from the CBC with you all. The Scholar here is really earning his media appearance fees.
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http://imgur.com/a/76hzp2E

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Here's the link to that CBC interview. I just finished listening to Day 6 a few minutes ago. No mention that the story is an allegory for Western influence on petroleum production and distribution in the Middle East, at all.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/intro...stern-islamic-cultures-says-scholar-1.6221670

"But Ali Karjoo-Ravary says some readers might be surprised to learn that the book also contains ample references to Middle Eastern and Islamic culture."

But it's so subtle how could anyone ever pick that up:shrug:

I got a notification with the headline:.
Frank Herbert's Dune novels were heavily influenced by Middle Eastern, Islamic cultures, says scholar
Which is what I found so hilarious
 
Chinese box office is also pretty bad. Only $6.5 mil opening day. Looking like $4 mil less than expected for the weekend.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/dune-china-opening-day-box-office-1235095839/

Way things are going/heading with China these days, I couldn't care less about their box office (and that's as far down that road as I'll go here). But this weak opening in the States is really concerning. I saw it at Pointe Orlando IMAX today, and only the center section of the theater was filled. I'm suspecting a LOT of people chose to stay home and watch it on their TV for no extra cost instead.
 
Way things are going/heading with China these days, I couldn't care less about their box office (and that's as far down that road as I'll go here). But this weak opening in the States is really concerning. I saw it at Pointe Orlando IMAX today, and only the center section of the theater was filled. I'm suspecting a LOT of people chose to stay home and watch it on their TV for no extra cost instead.

I'm hoping so.
 
As an aside, a relatively new friend of mine who went to see the movie with me and another said afterwards that she actually had a dream last night where the three of us were in the theatre and a woman gave birth during the screening so they turned on the lights and I just started yelling at the woman and her newborn baby that I'd been waiting 25 damn years for a good Dune adaption and now she and her baby were ruining it.
 
Same difference.
I don't know, I tend to think of streaming as a bit more prestigious than just TV.
I'm thinking @JD was making a joke referencing their old slogan - "It's not TV, it's HBO"
No, I totally forgot about that slogan.
Thought I'd share this groundbreaking reporting from the CBC with you all. The Scholar here is really earning his media appearance fees.
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http://imgur.com/a/76hzp2E

Edit: I can never successfully post images here:brickwall:
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I doubt anybody who is at all familiar with the story will have missed that, it's not exactly subtle.
My only problem with them promoting this is that it's going to set off all the racist idiots.
 
Well. One is free. One is not.

To most people I know, that's a big difference.

Not sure what you are talking about. I was replying to the idea that "streaming" is more prestigious than "tv". It definitely is not. Streaming has a ton of schlock, as they aim to increase content rather than quality programs.
 
Not sure what you are talking about. I was replying to the idea that "streaming" is more prestigious than "tv". It definitely is not. Streaming has a ton of schlock, as they aim to increase content rather than quality programs.
Perhaps on Netflix. For the most part the prestige shows on streaming are similar quality to premium TV, which is to say better than regular TV.
 
Netflix has some pretty quality programming--its business model is to produce a wide range of international programming. It is a global network and tries to find material for that audience by understanding that not every program is for everyone.
 
Not sure what you are talking about. I was replying to the idea that "streaming" is more prestigious than "tv". It definitely is not. Streaming has a ton of schlock, as they aim to increase content rather than quality programs.

It is more prestigious.

What television network could pull off 99% of what's streamed? NBC? CBS? They can't compare with the budget or quality, even a little.

Name any show on a network now (Law and Order? NCIS? Young Sheldon?) and I'll name 100 that are better quality on a streaming service.
 
It is more prestigious.

What television network could pull off 99% of what's streamed? NBC? CBS? They can't compare with the budget or quality, even a little.

Name any show on a network now (Law and Order? NCIS? Young Sheldon?) and I'll name 100 that are better quality on a streaming service.

He said television. He didn't say network television. Streaming services have a couple prestige productions and then a shit ton of whatever content they can buy cheap and throw an "original" label on, and then unless it's a flagship production kill it after one season if it's a show. AMC, FX, HBO itself, etc - all still TV.

Name one good original production on streaming and I'll name 100 that are absolute garbage direct to VHS quality productions they threw on just to increase their catalogue. Hell, its become a common joke that streaming services will greenlight anything - Rick and Morty even did an entire episode about it two years ago.
 
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