There’s a reason why you never heard of it and you didn’t miss anything. I watched about five minutes of one episode before deciding that I had better ways to spend my time.
I never got into either series because by the time they aired, I’d already lost interest in the franchise. My brother has watched through Enterprise and from what he’s told me about the series, I’ll be just fine skipping it. He’s currently watching through Discovery and Lower Decks and sometimes complains that Discovery is often just stupid.
I don’t mind gloomy. It’s the ’dull‘ part that I have a problem with.
I dislike "doom-and-gloom" series and movies and avoid them as much as possible. Unfortunately there are a lot of such "entertainment in the gloomy 2020's and the also gloomy 2010's.
One such example was
Stargate Universe. I did quit watching it after two-three episodfes of constant whining and bickering between different factions on that doomed ship and nothing more. The only reason why I did start watching it again was because a friend of mine told me that he had fallen asleep twice while watching it. After that it became a joke between us about "our favorite series which makes sleeping pills obsolete."
After 6-7 boring episodes when a bunch of hostile blue aliens filally showed up, I actually cheered for them. Let's go Blues!
I'm happy that Voyager never became as bad as Stargate Universe. However, i liked both
Stargate SG-1 and
Stargate Atlantis.
[/QUOTE]Kate Mulgrew was really upset about Jennifer Lien being let go and then the production making the ’new kid on the block’ the star of the series and she took it out on Jeri Ryan. She later admitted she targeted the wrong person and apologized to Ryan.
The thing to keep in mind is neither Ryan nor the character 7o9 had anything at all to do with Kes being dropped from the series.
She was dropped from the series because the production had no idea what to do with the character.[/QUOTE]
I can actually understand Mulgrew even if it was wrong to behave badly against Ryan. Mulgrew should have attacked the "writers" and "producers" instead. They were resonsible.
If "the production" had no idea what to do with Kes, they should have been fired for not doing their job. All of them!
They were hired to write for those characters and they should ave done just that.
If an amateur like me can come up with decent kes stories, then I expect even more from well-paid writers.
Linx, btw, I don’t believe it ever came down to Kes or Harry Kim either. The production wanted a low man on the totem pole type character and wanted to keep the same guy so that they wouldn’t have to recast the part with a new character and actor or actress. Garrett Wang just misunderstood the situation. Even though they told him straight out.
They were never going to either fire him or give him a promotion.
If Wang had been more ballsy about it like Robert Beltran, they might have started paying out to him like they did Beltran. That’s why they just let him go on thinking they didn’t like him. It was less expensive that way.
What I've read and heard on many occasions, Wang was going to be dropped to make room for Ryan and her character but after that silly inside poll in that gossip magazine, those in charge changed their mind and dumped Lien instead.
If you like the character, I wouldn't take the away from you.
I've written fiction off and on and as such, I'm interested in the mechanics of writing fiction. The Kes character is interesting to me because I can't remember remember ever coming across a character that was so disliked for reasons that had little or nothing to do with what we actually saw onscreen and I can't remember any other character in a long running series that was so ill conceived but wasn't dropped immediately.
Kes wasn't that disliked.
I remember that before this whole thing with Kes being dumped and "the changes in season 4", Neelix was the most disliked character. There were a lot of not so nice comments about him. Kim was also criticized for being bland and there were also a lot of comments about Janeway. Some people liked her, some didn't. Kes was hardly mentioned in those debates. It was
after Kes being dumped some criticizm started to come up.
Despite being eight pages long, here's my answer:
"Why was Kes a beloved character?"
Because she was nice and optimistic in a Star Trek-y way.
Yes!
She personified the spirit of Star Trek with her will to learn and explore.
I think you may want to recheck your figures. Kes is generally liked among Voyager fandom. One of the most beloved characters after Seven.
I get the same impression.
I checked five Trek or Voyager character ranking sites. Of the three that seemed the most reliable, two put Kes in the middle and one failed to mention her at all. Of the other two, one gave her an honorable mention, and the other put her at the bottom (didn't really explain why).
The chief issue with her seemed to be her failed potential, which is sad but true. And endemic to several other VOY characters.
I can agree with that. In fact, most of the Voyager characters were underused, especially in the later seasons when everything was about Seven, The Doctor and Janeway.
