Spoilers "Supergirl": the 6th and final season

[The Habs Fan]

That’s a good point, I didn’t think of it that way. Legends of Tomorrow’s Constantine storyline doesn’t bother me either. Maybe because they play things so over the top. Anyway, I guess I just wish the way Star Trek treats deities applied to all genre media.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, this is the same universe as Constantine and Legends of Tomorrow (and the same multiverse as Lucifer), in which Heaven, Hell, and angels are literally real entities. And yet we know that Themyscira and Atlantis exist in that universe as well, and thus the Greek gods were presumably real as well. It's not a religious statement any more than Thor is an expression of genuine Aesir worship on the part of its Jewish creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. It's just using the mythology as fictional tropes for the sake of a story. Both DC and Marvel Comics have a long history of including characters from Christian and other mythologies as literally real, with Greek, Norse, and other deities all cheerfully coexisting in the same cosmology where the Biblical God unambiguously reigns.

Its a sling shot.

Did they even exist back then?

A leather thong with a pocket, you swing above your head is also called a slingshot, and yes, they existed back then.

But a Y frame of wood with a vulcanized rubber band... Wasn't invented until 1948. Or at least sold comercially, and the inventor is an unknown squirrel killing psycopath.

So?

2001 style monolyth?

Gift from God?

Time Traveller garbage?

 

[theenglish]

Revealing her identity serves no purpose to her, or anyone who wold placed in danger as a result of knowing who she's connected to, and if comic book history has proven anything, its that no superhero or even a group of them can fully protect civilians from being targets of the superhero's enemies.

Then again, the finale appears to have many characters dressed in black, so if SG did something as senseless as revealing her true ID, it might cost the life someone she's close to.

Clark revealed his identity in the Superman comics without many negative repercussions, which is a "meta" reason I'm thinking the CW will go in this direction. What purpose does it serve? Plot wise, it will show her vulnerability and strength to reveal that vulnerability by telling the world she is a real person, just like everyone else.

 

[theenglish]

David’s slingshot in the museum is something you would not see in an actual science museum since there is no archaeological evidence the David vs Goliath story ever happened. It’s more of a fake “artefact” you would see at an evangelical museum.

And David would have used a sling, not a slingshot.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Maybe it was David's divining rod?

After he killed Goliath, King David dug a well.

And David would have used a sling, not a slingshot.

In the article I linked above, the Romans were using slings to throw lead slugs with an impact velocity as great as a Magnum .44, three thousand years ago.

Some of the slugs had a hole dug through them, to create a terrifying screaming effect as it flew, to freak out the enemy.

 

[theenglish]

In the article I linked above, the Romans were using slings to throw lead slugs with an impact velocity as great as a Magnum .44, three thousand years ago.

Some of the slugs had a hole dug through them, to create a terrifying screaming effect as it flew, to freak out the enemy.

Malcom Gladwell does a great job of breaking down the David and Goliath story to show that if the story had actually happened Goliath didn't really have a chance.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Aim" would be the real issue.

 

[Christopher]

And David would have used a sling, not a slingshot.

I thought so, but I wasn't sure.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

the writing staff seem to treat Bible history as fact and this annoys the hell out of me

There's no reason for the writers to discount it, since historians and archeologists have proven certain Biblical locations, people and events, particularly over the past century, and its a study which continues to this day.

I know Chyler Leigh is a serious Christian

Interesting.

These biblical references in Supergirl annoy me to no end. Sorry if I offended anyone. The religious overtones in Black Lightning didn’t bug me at all btw.

Why would it bother you in Supergirl but not Black Lightning?

Clark revealed his identity in the Superman comics without many negative repercussions, which is a "meta" reason I'm thinking the CW will go in this direction. What purpose does it serve? Plot wise, it will show her vulnerability and strength to reveal that vulnerability by telling the world she is a real person, just like everyone else.

Supergirl essentially did that "like everyone else" speech during season four's Children of Liberty arc, where such a statement would--in theory--have a greater impact on humans. SG revealing her true identity for that reason would dull or ignore the continuity with her public pronouncements of being safe/normal/just like you/not a threat in the aforementioned arc.

 

[The Habs Fan]

Why would it bother you in Supergirl but not Black Lightning?

Because there’s a difference, in my opinion, of characters being religious and believing in God (Daredevil is another example of this done right), than treating Bible mythology as scientific fact (depending on what type of show it is). It just comes off as strange to me when a character such as Brainy treats Noah's flood as scientific fact even though science disproves it actually happened. I would think the same way if he mentioned Gilgamesh instead. The same thing is David's slingshot (I know it's supposed to be a sling, but this episode mistakenly had a slingshot) somehow being displayed in a science museum, of all places.

However, it's a minor nitpick that just bugs me, as I pointed out in my original post. I just wondered why there's a pattern of Bible literalism in Supergirl.

 

[Christopher]

Because there’s a difference, in my opinion, of characters being religious and believing in God (Daredevil is another example of this done right), than treating Bible mythology as scientific fact (depending on what type of show it is). It just comes off as strange to me when a character such as Brainy treats Noah's flood as scientific fact even though science disproves it actually happened. I would think the same way if he mentioned Gilgamesh instead. The same thing is David's slingshot (I know it's supposed to be a sling, but this episode mistakenly had a slingshot) somehow being displayed in a science museum, of all places.

However, it's a minor nitpick that just bugs me, as I pointed out in my original post. I just wondered why there's a pattern of Bible literalism in Supergirl.

I already answered that. It's based on the DC universe, which has a history of treating all mythologies as literally real, because comic books are a hodgepodge of genres and will take their story ideas from anywhere. The DCU has a literal God and Devil and Heaven and Hell, but it also has Greek gods and Titans, Roman gods (apparently somehow separate), Norse gods, Hindu gods, Egyptian gods, African Orishas and Loas, Chinese gods, Japanese gods, Celtic gods, etc., not to mention its own unique categories like the New Gods, Kryptonian gods, Martian gods, etc.

So no, it's not some kind of Christian polemic. It's just telling fantasy stories.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Greek gods and Titans, Roman gods (apparently somehow separate)

Sometimes. There was a storyline in Wonder Woman where it was revealed that the Roman Gods were created as avatars of the Greek Gods. Part of a plot by Darkseid to weaken the Olympians. By the conclusion they were one again.

 

[Christopher]

And then you've got Shazam/Captain Marvel, whose acronym represents figures from the Bible (Solomon), Greek myth (Atlas, Zeus, Achilles), and Roman myth (Hercules and Mercury, though "Hercules" is really just a variant spelling of the Greek Herakles). So he's a blend of different mythologies all by himself. And since the '70s he's been paired on and off with Isis, who's based on Egyptian mythology.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Because there’s a difference, in my opinion, of characters being religious and believing in God (Daredevil is another example of this done right), than treating Bible mythology as scientific fact

As noted, there's a long record of historians, et al., uncovering or verifying numerous Biblical events, people, etc., hence references in various TV series and movies as truth. Further, fantasy productions have always featured characters believing and/or supporting real religion while facing that which is recognized within categories of neo-paganism, and/or pure myth, which is the reason MCU Captain America speaks of God in a factual sense (dismissing Thor as one of the "gods" as Black Widow described them) while living / working among other creatures alien to most human culture/experience, or Van Helsing is generally adapted as a believer in / acting based on his Christian studies/belief against something (vampirism) that is complete fantasy. While co-existing in a work for fiction, it's no mystery why there's a split in how they're treated.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because there’s a difference, in my opinion, of characters being religious and believing in God (Daredevil is another example of this done right), than treating Bible mythology as scientific fact (depending on what type of show it is). It just comes off as strange to me when a character such as Brainy treats Noah's flood as scientific fact even though science disproves it actually happened. I would think the same way if he mentioned Gilgamesh instead. The same thing is David's slingshot (I know it's supposed to be a sling, but this episode mistakenly had a slingshot) somehow being displayed in a science museum, of all places.

However, it's a minor nitpick that just bugs me, as I pointed out in my original post. I just wondered why there's a pattern of Bible literalism in Supergirl.

Maybe "God" created Universe One, but Oliver Queen created Universe Prime.

Can you imagine Kara in the Church?

"In the beginning there was nothing!"

"Boy was there ever! I could not find a Big Belly Burger for the life of me, between Universes."

 

[thribs]

That plan was just awful. Infect more people? Have they not seen Kingsman? People could have died.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Supergirl - The Final Season
Season 6 - episode 14 - "Magical Thinking"

SG: I have to revisit SG's claim: "Nyxly is unlike any villain we've ever faced," which flushes (CW-Crisis) what was supposed to be villains being the biggest conflict/threat in the Arrowverse to being just another bad, CG-battered get-together. The showrunners just do whatever and rarely consider the crap they wrote for continuity's sake. As a result, their discount Crisis appears more watered down and unimpressive than before.

Nyxlygsptlnz: Totem...totem....something.

Kelly: Back to the character who was struggling with her racial conscience just two episodes ago, and just as that just appeared out of nowhere, its gone just as fast. (but the showrunners think *poof!* like magic...or bad, infantile "writing", she now has said racial conscience, or something we are supposed to believe is one)...and the Very Special Episode (this week the guest is Esme) that's been duct taped into this season returns.

Of course, the BS cherry on top was the suggestion that Kelly and Alex might adopt Esme (or run their apartment as foster care), when the adoption process (no matter the outcome) is no overnight process.

Lena: As noted last week, the showrunners were too transparent with its telegraphing of Lena's empowerment moment as she embraces being a witch, and no matter what insta-power the showrunners give her, she's a novice, but at least she was allowed to screw up....for the wrong reasons, since she listened to Dey's piss-poor analogy about spellcasting and baking (on one's own terms / approach). Lena should have known better, but the showrunners had to give purpose to...

Dey: No purpose on the show. His "embedded reported" story means what for the series? Nothing worthy of a dedicated plot at all. Alex claimed they (the team) needed the good press. Since...? individually or as a group, they have weathered bad events or impressions with the public over the course of six years, so how is it that they need media coverage now? Again, this is an example of showrunners trying to give an empty character something to do.

...and if that "something ultimately comes down to some adssbrained "the public has a right to know" crap leading him to break his promise and reveal their true identities, then it would a prime example of the showrunners exploring poor plots no one wanted to see.

NOTES:

With no real character development left for Lena after she dropped being a eugenicist criminal (and begging for Supergirl's love) for several seasons, the showrunners seemed to shrug their collective shoulders and tossed a piece of plotting shit at a wall to see what stuck, as this witch plot is so obviously unnatural and out of nowhere. There's not a thing about this story that has meaning to all that the Lena character had been designed to be.

GRADE: D-.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

That plan was just awful. Infect more people? Have they not seen Kingsman? People could have died.

Awful plan? That should be carved on a sign hammered to the door of the Supergirl writers' room.

 

[The Habs Fan]

It’s awfully convenient that Lena just happens to be a witch and their only hope for defeating Nyxly . It’s not quite as bad as Gambi in season 4 of Black Lightning, who kept pulling out random technological solutions every episode, but it’s getting there.

Overall, it was another mediocre episode in a mediocre season. I liked the plot of William being embedded with the super friends, though it’s another case of “find this character something to do to keep him on the show”.

I think the only thing that could save this season is if and when Lex returns (which I bet is being saved for the final 2 episodes).

 

[thribs]

Awful plan? That should be carved on a sign hammered to the door of the Supergirl writers' room.

Curious, do you not watch Stargirl? I don’t see your reviews for that