Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy General Discussion Thread

[Kamen Rider Blade]

If the opening credits of the show are anything to go by, we are truly going to some "strange new worlds" in this show. I love it when Star Trek gets into the REALLY weird stuff. A giant eyeball in space? A giant space robot? A holographic AI space being? Weird space bubble things? I love it!!! THAT is the kind of imagination and creativity that makes me love Star Trek so much! And that is why I really love Star Trek: TMP (because V-Ger is so strange and bizarre).

These are the kinds of things we need more of in Star Trek. Enough with the humanoid aliens that was so prevalent in TOS, TNG, VOY, and DS9 (and yes, I know they had to do that because of budgetary reasons). One of the reasons I really like ENT, Disco, Picard, and Lower Decks is because they have tried to veer away from humanoid aliens and have shown us the weirdness of space.

I know Gundam 00 isn't related to Star Trek in any way, shape or form.

But when the Gundam 00 Movie: "A Wakening of the Trailblazer" premiered, it was the very first time that the Gundam Anime Franchise ever dealt with Aliens, and they choose to make a genuinely interesting alien in the ELS (Extra-Terrestrial Living-Metal Shape-Shifter). They managed to resolve the problem with Humanities ruinous "First Contact" with ELS in a unexpected way that really worked for me and made sense, but traditional Gundam fans didn't appreciate it because it wasn't a traditional "Blow Them to bits" solution.

But that's the power of Animation, you can easily draw aliens that are REALLY strange and out there. Something that you can't do cheaply in live action TV/Movies.

 

[Christopher]

If the opening credits of the show are anything to go by, we are truly going to some "strange new worlds" in this show. I love it when Star Trek gets into the REALLY weird stuff. A giant eyeball in space? A giant space robot? A holographic AI space being? Weird space bubble things? I love it!!!

Those are close-ups of the main characters that the ship is symbolically flying by. The rocky "surface" turns out to be Rok-Tahk's skin. The "robot" with the glowing energy inside is Zero, the Medusan in a robotic suit. The purple gelatinous blobs presumably represent Murf. The robot hand belongs to Jankom Pog. Then we get a close-up of Gwyn's face in profile. The robotic skull that comes next is probably the villain. And finally we see the Janeway hologram. Not sure where Dal is. Maybe the big eyeball is his?

 

[The Rock]

Those are close-ups of the main characters that the ship is symbolically flying by. The rocky "surface" turns out to be Rok-Tahk's skin. The "robot" with the glowing energy inside is Zero, the Medusan in a robotic suit. The purple gelatinous blobs presumably represent Murf. The robot hand belongs to Jankom Pog. Then we get a close-up of Gwyn's face in profile. The robotic skull that comes next is probably the villain. And finally we see the Janeway hologram. Not sure where Dal is. Maybe the big eyeball is his?

You mean they aren't gonna actually visit those things in the show? That makes me sad. I wanted to see a giant space eyeball.

 

[Tim Thomason]

You mean they aren't gonna actually visit those things in the show? That makes me sad. I wanted to see a giant space eyeball.

The ship will have One Little Ship technology.

 

[Ometiklan]

You mean they aren't gonna actually visit those things in the show? That makes me sad. I wanted to see a giant space eyeball.

If a giant underground eyeball will work instead, check out the movie "Rango".

 

[The Old Mixer]

Did somebody say space eyeball...?

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[NCC-73515]

Janeway had the VOY commbadge in her first reveal poster, but now in the new trailer, her badge looks more like the LDS or even DIS one - no gold back part, but a star pattern that splits it in half.
So Starfleet went from the VOY badge to the LDS badge to the PRO badge and then back to the VOY badge before PIC...? XD

 

[fireproof78]

Janeway had the VOY commbadge in her first reveal poster, but now in the new trailer, her badge looks more like the LDS or even DIS one - no gold back part, but a star pattern that splits it in half.
So Starfleet went from the VOY badge to the LDS badge to the PRO badge and then back to the VOY badge before PIC...? XD

Why not?

 

[Timo]

That the looks of Holo-Janeway would be concurrent with the ship aboard which the program is running is far from said. Were Starfleet to choose Kirk as the mentor figure, they wouldn't dress up his hologram in a 24th century uniform...

But the commbadge might be real rather than holographic, for reason X, and therefore of a modern model.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Janeway had the VOY commbadge in her first reveal poster, but now in the new trailer, her badge looks more like the LDS or even DIS one - no gold back part, but a star pattern that splits it in half.
So Starfleet went from the VOY badge to the LDS badge to the PRO badge and then back to the VOY badge before PIC...? XD

For merchandising purposes, it's safe to assume every Trek show from now on will have it's own uniform and badge. Whether it makes sense or not.

 

[Christopher]

For merchandising purposes, it's safe to assume every Trek show from now on will have it's own uniform and badge. Whether it makes sense or not.

Nearly every previous Trek show had its own uniform, and most had different badges. The pilots, TOS, TMP, the later movies, TNG season 1-2, TNG seasons 3-up, DS9, the TNG movies. The frequent changes never made sense in-universe, but it's the prerogative of costume designers for a fictional production. That was as true 30 or 50 years ago as it is now.

And Starfleet using more than one uniform design at a time has been canon ever since "Charlie X" showed the Antares crew in pilot-style uniforms.

 

[NCC-73515]

did they ever go back to a previous badge though...?

 

[Christopher]

did they ever go back to a previous badge though...?

Does it matter? This isn't reality, it's people telling stories and designing costumes. They can change or reuse whatever they want. It doesn't matter what has or hasn't been done before, it just matters what artistic choices they want to make. Like how every prosthetic makeup designer does their own version of the Klingons, Andorians, and Tellarites regardless of what others have done, or how every different visual effects staff creates its own different version of what warp drive or transporter beams look like.

 

[NCC-73515]

Klingons were consistent in all of TNG-ENT, Tellarites only got tusks in DIS and were consistent before, warp effect was consistent in TNG-ENT, transporter was the same in TNG and DS9, only changed when shows happened earlier or later.
You're saying they could have Picard walking around with an ENT uniform in 2399 and no one should care.

 

[The Wormhole]

Tellarites only got tusks in DIS and were consistent before,

Tellarites actually underwent several changes over the years, most notable being how many fingers they had on their hands.

warp effect was consistent in TNG-ENT,

Except for Generations, which uses two separate warp effects, the TOS movie effect during the Enterprise B portion of the movie, and then the star streaks which were the standard for the Berman era. And then in the episode Flashback, the Excelsior is shown with the star streaks, despite being set during TUC, where we saw the ship with the TOS movie effect. Which indeed, the shot of the Excelsior with the TOS effect from TUC is what was reused in Generations.

transporter was the same in TNG and DS9, only changed when shows happened earlier or later.

When you get to the period of TNG movies, DS9 and Voyager you see the inconsistency of the transporter effect depending on the production. In DS9 every Starfleet ship and runabout continues to reused the same transporter effect from TNG. The TNG movies change the transporter effect with every movie, and indeed in Generations we see the USS Farragut uses the same effect as the Enterprise in that movie. In Voyager every Starfleet ship and facility uses the new effect created for Voyager, which gets odd in a few cases. We see the Voyager effect used for transporters on Earth in Non Sequitor, yet a few months later on Homefront/Paradise Lost, the TNG series effect is being used on Earth. The Defiant always used the TNG series effect, yet uses the Voyager effect in Message in a Bottle. In fact that episode even shows the Defiant officers using pulse phaser rifles, which have otherwise only been used on Voyager.

 

[Christopher]

Klingons were consistent in all of TNG-ENT

Because Michael Westmore was the makeup artist on every one of those shows. Naturally his work has a consistent look, just as, say, every John Byrne Superman comic uses the same look for Superman. But it's still different from Curt Swan's Superman or John Romita Jr.'s Superman.

Tellarites only got tusks in DIS and were consistent before

That's incredibly untrue. Tellarites weren't even consistent within TOS itself.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/changing-faces1.htm#tellarites

warp effect was consistent in TNG-ENT

Again, obviously, because all those shows shared a common production design staff. It's not about when the show happens (since ENT happened 200 years before the others), it's about who the artists are.

You're saying they could have Picard walking around with an ENT uniform in 2399 and no one should care.

No, I'm saying that a work of fiction is the creation of artists exercising their individual creativity. It's only natural for different artists to interpret the same subject in their own individual ways.

 

[UssGlenn]

We see the Voyager effect used for transporters on Earth in Non Sequitor, yet a few months later on Homefront/Paradise Lost, the TNG series effect is being used on Earth. The Defiant always used the TNG series effect, yet uses the Voyager effect in Message in a Bottle. In fact that episode even shows the Defiant officers using pulse phaser rifles, which have otherwise only been used on Voyager.

Don't forget that different pads will get updated at different times. The fact that two completely different pads on earth use the older and newer transporter effects is not a problem. Similarly we saw a new Defiant Class ship with the newer transporter, but that has no relevance on the Original Prototype Defiant not having upgraded yet. It's not a mistake like the Excelsior Warp effect is.

 

[The Old Mixer]

She's a hologram, she could be wearing a cupcake on her left breast...

 

[Christopher]

It's not a mistake like the Excelsior Warp effect is.

Artistic interpretation is not a "mistake." The creators of the TNG-era shows and ENT chose to depict warp travel in a certain way, and the visual conceit of those shows was that it always looked like that, for every warp technology in every era. That was the artistic choice they made as designers. Whereas the production designers of different shows and movies (except for Lower Decks) have chosen to redesign the warp effect and portray it in a different way. It's not meant to represent an in-universe change any more than the recasting of Saavik or Spock represents plastic surgery, or any more than the different visual depictions of Vulcan from orbit represent the wholesale terraforming of the planet. It's just a change in the artistic depiction of the universe. Give a dozen artists the same subject to paint and they'll paint it in a dozen different ways. That's how art works.

 

[UssGlenn]

Artistic interpretation is not a "mistake." The creators of the TNG-era shows and ENT chose to depict warp travel in a certain way, and the visual conceit of those shows was that it always looked like that, for every warp technology in every era.

I could buy that if they didn't show both in Generations. That's also a clear "artistic choice", one that shows the warp effect really did look different in universe.