Spoilers Possible connection between SNW and TMP

[Locutus of Bored]

"As I mentioned in the Lit Forum"

You say that as if I should have also been following along with a completely different conversation in a completely different forum that was never linked to.

Anyway, it sounds like you want to use the name New Humans but stripping them of all the properties that don't make them suitable for your theory. In which case, it's not really the same thing anymore. But more power to you.

 

[Kelso]

Given the other SNW elements that seem to be drawn from ENT, I'd expect La'an's backstory to have more to do with the Augment arc than with TMP background material.

 

[Mudd]

There are other NYT Best Sellers on the payroll that they call on canon issues but I am not going to out anyone. This staff takes things more serious that most realize and possibly talk more time to avoid continuity errors than any previous production team.

They're sure flunking the exercise.

 

[Imaus]

I hope they're just a bunch of posers and her name means nothing more than 'My family adopted it in awe back then' like the Gandhis and Guptas of today's India.

We don't need the Augments or Khan in every iteration of trek!

 

[Mudd]

I hope they're just a bunch of posers and her name means nothing more than 'My family adopted it in awe back then' like the Gandhis and Guptas of today's India.

Not a chance.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That hyphen makes me very curious to see what's up with her.

That hyphen probably has more to do with copyright than anything else.

Rumours awhile ago spoke of a series in development codenamed "1992", presumably a Khan origin story. Perhaps they're planning a Georgiou-like lead-in, not unlike that Section 31 show that still hasn't quite happened and she'll be his Mum rather than a descendant.

 

[Dukhat]

I hope they're just a bunch of posers and her name means nothing more than 'My family adopted it in awe back then' like the Gandhis and Guptas of today's India.

Nope. They 100% used that name because this character is related to Khan. They couldn’t have smacked us across the face with it any harder. My only hope is that there’s a good and logical story reason why this character exists and is serving on the Enterprise five or so years before Kirk finds the Botany Bay.

I also hope that this person isn’t some super-strong genetically-enhanced individual like Alara from Orville, because not only would they be ripping that idea off, they would be contradicting the idea that the Federation and Starfleet actively ban genetic engineering.

(And before anyone points it out, I know that Alara’s abilities stem from her high-gravity homeworld, not from genetic enhancements. But the concept is the same if that’s why this character is there.)

 

[Tim Thomason]

Of course, there's no evidence that Starfleet or the Federation ever banned genetic engineering. Everything onscreen indicates that it is a United Earth edict only, applying to either humans or more likely UE citizens (albeit enforced by Starfleet). La'an is from an independent colony or perhaps some type of reservation or smaller nation exempt from the Earth ban.

 

[Dukhat]

Of course, there's no evidence that Starfleet or the Federation ever banned genetic engineering. Everything onscreen indicates that it is a United Earth edict only, applying to either humans or more likely UE citizens (albeit enforced by Starfleet). La'an is from an independent colony or perhaps some type of reservation or smaller nation exempt from the Earth ban.

Julian Bashir would like to have a word with you.

 

[Tosk]

To whit, "DNA resequencing for any reason other than repairing serious birth defects is illegal. Any genetically enhanced human being is barred from serving in Starfleet or practicing medicine." - Julian Bashir.

 

[Tim Thomason]

To whit, "DNA resequencing for any reason other than repairing serious birth defects is illegal. Any genetically enhanced human being is barred from serving in Starfleet or practicing medicine." - Julian Bashir.

Couldn't have worded it better myself. Only applies to human beings.

 

[Dukhat]

Couldn't have worded it better myself. Only applies to human beings.

So La’an Noonien-Singh isn’t a human being?

And it doesn’t matter that the ban only applies to human beings. Starfleet and the Federation still made the ban, and that ban affects humans even though they are Federation citizens who would be able to join Starfleet had the ban not been in effect.

 

[Tim Thomason]

So La’an Noonien-Singh isn’t a human being?

And it doesn’t matter that the ban only applies to human beings. Starfleet and the Federation still made the ban, and that ban affects humans even though they are Federation citizens who would be able to join Starfleet had the ban not been in effect.

In my estimation, Earth made the ban. Starfleet just enforces it, I presume, on genetically engineered humans in contravention of United Earth law.

I don't for a second think it applies to the genetically engineered Federation cultures on Denobula or Arcturus or wherever else. Even the humans on Darwin IV are outside Earth jurisdiction and likely outside Starfleet enforcement of ancient Earth law. Bashir was probably a little inexact in his wording. I'm sure Mariposans, as Mariposans, would be allowed in Starfleet.

But this is just my presumption based on onscreen evidence (mostly the Bashir stuff) and common sense. La'an's story will solidify the argument for or against it. Maybe she's the reason for this hypothetical Starfleet ban.

 

[Dukhat]

The ban isn’t hypothetical.

And Earth is just a part of the Federation. Starfleet is the Federation’s military/exploration/medical wing. And since, according to Bashir, Starfleet bans genetically engineered humans from entering Starfleet or practicing medicine, then it’s not an Earth rule, it’s a Starfleet rule backed by the Federation.

I’m also pretty sure that Bashir singled out ‘human beings’ because he is one. The ban probably is Federation member-world wide. Star Trek writers have a tendency to be very human-centric.

 

[arch101]

The ban isn’t hypothetical.

And Earth is just a part of the Federation. Starfleet is the Federation’s military/exploration/medical wing. And since, according to Bashir, Starfleet bans genetically engineered humans from entering Starfleet or practicing medicine, then it’s not an Earth rule, it’s a Starfleet rule backed by the Federation.

I’m also pretty sure that Bashir singled out ‘human beings’ because he is one. The ban probably is Federation member-world wide. Star Trek writers have a tendency to be very human-centric.

Seems to me that Bashir's dad served time for violating FEDERATION laws, not Earth or Starfleet ones.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

By the way, is La'an a really existing name that is or was used somewhere on Earth or a fictional one?

 

[Therin of Andor]

In-universe it would also make some sense as both Augments as well as New Humans are examples of the same trope (Homo Superior).

The Augments were about improving strength and stamina, while the New Humans were more about creating a hive mind.

"... a grouping created as an outgrowth of the advantage of potential in Humankind on Earth and other Federation worlds where Human populations lived in total peace and were able to devote themselves entirely to their own betterment. Without conflict and turmoil, education became more advanced and the intelligence of the average individual increased, creating a dynamic of social freedom not before experienced by the species.

"Many also pursued the advancement of the telepathic and extrasensory potential of the Human species, which had previously never been utilized to any significant degree. Group minds formed as the new Humans found they could create long lasting telepathic bonds in groups that individuals could not realistically sustain." [Memory Beta.]

 

[Unimatrix Q]

The Augments were about improving strength and stamina, while the New Humans were more about creating a hive mind.

"... a grouping created as an outgrowth of the advantage of potential in Humankind on Earth and other Federation worlds where Human populations lived in total peace and were able to devote themselves entirely to their own betterment. Without conflict and turmoil, education became more advanced and the intelligence of the average individual increased, creating a dynamic of social freedom not before experienced by the species.

"Many also pursued the advancement of the telepathic and extrasensory potential of the Human species, which had previously never been utilized to any significant degree. Group minds formed as the new Humans found they could create long lasting telepathic bonds in groups that individuals could not realistically sustain." [Memory Beta.]

Yeah, i know. That's why i think a mutation may have given the Augments (or to be more precise, their descendants) some psionic abbilities and a more stable and peaceful mind. Or the Vulcans helped them with both of these things.

Especially as the Augments seem to have been very much like pre-surakian Vulcans...

 

[mattman8907]

LA'AN: Name's Laa'an, sir.

reminds me of Kirk's mix up with Jones/Smith in the second TOS Pilot

 

[Nerys Myk]

reminds me of Kirk's mix up with Jones/Smith in the second TOS Pilot

Exactly