News Annie Wersching will play the Borg Queen in Season 2 of Picard

[Lord Exor]

She only mentioned that she originated from Species 125, a factoid that always bemused me. Logically, the Queen should derive from the species the Borg were founded upon. It's odd to think that the Borg would have retroactively appointed themselves a vain dictator, albeit relatively early in their history.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think this was touched upon in the episode 'Dark Frontier' that species 125 made good Queens.

Aside from the Queen saying she's from Species 125, there's nothing established about that species. The line:

SEVEN: To you, perhaps. Part of me is still human. I will not assist in their destruction.
QUEEN: We all originated from lesser species. I myself came from species one two five. But that's irrelevant now. We are Borg.
SEVEN: I am an individual.

According to Memory Alpha, it was the video game Star Trek Legacies that said Species 125 made for good Queens.

 

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Legacy said the collective was fine without a queen at first, but as it grew and got more complex, someone was needed to bring order to chaos. 125 had a special ability to sift through thousands of thoughts and bring such order, so one of them became the first queen.

 

[Char Kais]

Trek fans: Give me something NEW.......THAT SUCKS!!!!.

I wish there would be something new.
Every movie/show since 2009 relies on nostalgia bait/legacy elements and is a rehash:

JJ movies/Kelvin Timeline: Reimagined Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and the Enterprise.

DIS: Set 10 years before TOS with Spock, Spock's sister, Sarek, Amanda Grayson, Harcourt Fenton Mudd, Pike, Number One, and the Enterprise.

SNW: Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise. Now with the addition of Uhura, Nurse Chapel, and a Khan Noonien Singh relative.

PIC: Sequel to a legacy show, named after a legacy character about the offspring of another legacy character.
The show's entire appeal seems to be based on returning legacy characters. People's favorite moments are from Nepenthe (the Riker and Troi episode), Data's death scene, and scenes with Seven or Hugh.
Then there is the hype about the announcement of more returning legacy characters (Guinan, Q) for season 2 and endless speculation about the return of even more legacy characters (Crusher, Geordi, Worf).

Judging from the trailer, season 2 is a mashup/rehash of Star Trek's greatest hits/tropes:
Borg, Q, time travel, alternative grimdark timeline, space Nazis with elements from:
First Contact
TNG Yesterday's Enterprise
TNG All Good Things
VOY Future's End
DS9 Past Tense (Bell Riots)
ENT Storm Front

Lower Deck: One giant member berries show. It's all about the references.
Prodigy: In the marketing for the show, Janeway, another legacy character, is very prominent.

 

[fireproof78]

I wish there would be something new.

Well, I agree with you but all of these things make money. So, we stop watching it, stop talking about, starve it out, and we'll get new.

I'll wait for that to happen.

 

[KennyB]

I wish there would be something new.
Every movie/show since 2009 relies on nostalgia bait/legacy elements and is a rehash:

JJ movies/Kelvin Timeline: Reimagined Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and the Enterprise.

DIS: Set 10 years before TOS with Spock, Spock's sister, Sarek, Amanda Grayson, Harcourt Fenton Mudd, Pike, Number One, and the Enterprise.

SNW: Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise. Now with the addition of Uhura, Nurse Chapel, and a Khan Noonien Singh relative.

PIC: Sequel to a legacy show, named after a legacy character about the offspring of another legacy character.
The show's entire appeal seems to be based on returning legacy characters. People's favorite moments are from Nepenthe (the Riker and Troi episode), Data's death scene, and scenes with Seven or Hugh.
Then there is the hype about the announcement of more returning legacy characters (Guinan, Q) for season 2 and endless speculation about the return of even more legacy characters (Crusher, Geordi, Worf).

Judging from the trailer, season 2 is a mashup/rehash of Star Trek's greatest hits/tropes:
Borg, Q, time travel, alternative grimdark timeline, space Nazis with elements from:
First Contact
TNG Yesterday's Enterprise
TNG All Good Things
VOY Future's End
DS9 Past Tense (Bell Riots)
ENT Storm Front

Lower Deck: One giant member berries show. It's all about the references.
Prodigy: In the marketing for the show, Janeway, another legacy character, is very prominent.

Unless I am forgetting something DS9 was the last completely fresh concept......even they went to the Picard/Spock/MU well on occasion.

 

[Lord Garth]

DIS: Set 10 years before TOS with Spock, Spock's sister, Sarek, Amanda Grayson, Harcourt Fenton Mudd, Pike, Number One, and the Enterprise.

Pssstttt... not that it'll change your opinion, but they moved DSC to the 32nd Century.

Unless I am forgetting something DS9 was the last completely fresh concept......even they went to the Picard/Spock/MU well on occasion.

Shhhh!!!! Everything from 1987 to 2005 was totally new. All of it! Don't let "them" tell you otherwise.

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On a serious note: It's not about introducing one thing, then moving on and forgetting, and starting over from scratch every week. It's about building on top of what's already there, so things become more developed.

Let me put it this way: TNG gave us red. VOY gave us blue. That means PIC is purple. "But purple is just red and blue! Give us something new!" That's what the complaints sound like. Basically: the Star Trek of old is primary colors. The Star Trek of new is secondary colors, which give you way more combinations and possibilities than just the simple basics.

Which, shock and awe, is what DS9 did. But it seems like only DS9 is "allowed" to do that, going by some people here. Every other series has to be like TOS, TNG, and VOY, one and done. Wham, bam, thank-you-ma'am. That's not "new and original", it's disposable, cookie-cutter, and forgettable. How many Delta Quadrant races do people here really remember? The truth.

And how about Insurrection? The only Star Trek movie to introduce a new race of people. Who actually thinks Insurrection is the best Star Trek movie? No one. Okay, maybe that one person waaaaaaayyyyyyy over there in the back -- them over there hiding with Waldo from "Where's Waldo?" -- but not 99.9999% of anyone else. Let's be real.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless I am forgetting something DS9 was the last completely fresh concept......even they went to the Picard/Spock/MU well on occasion.

And even then, it only got better when it brought in a starship instead of staying with the station.

 

[KennyB]

And even then, it only got better when it brought in a starship instead of staying with the station.

I will agree to that and WORF........I boycotted DS9 while it was on. Did not watch until maybe 2005. I didn't like the station concept......didn't like the cast. HOWEVER, after Enterprise finished and I did not have any new Trek I decided to give it a go and man......seasons 4-7 is now probably my favorite Trek. Sisko is my favorite captain and In the Pale Moonlight my favorite episode.........So I learned long ago just HOW WRONG I can be at times. To my credit I did not hate watch, nor did I come on here and slam people who did love it.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Unless I am forgetting something DS9 was the last completely fresh concept......even they went to the Picard/Spock/MU well on occasion.

Purely to be a dick you could argue that DS9 wasn't entirely fresh.

Opening scene is Wolf 359 and it has Picard knocking about to have some conflict with Sisko.

But yes, your point that it changed the Trel dynamic to a station and a new Quadrant is about as fresh as you can get

 

[Guy Gardener]

She only mentioned that she originated from Species 125, a factoid that always bemused me. Logically, the Queen should derive from the species the Borg were founded upon. It's odd to think that the Borg would have retroactively appointed themselves a vain dictator, albeit relatively early in their history.

The First Borg... Had a language and a culture that was not Borg.

That language had it's own math, geography and stellar cartography, that was assimilated by the Borg.

The Queen may have been the first Borg, but before that, she had always been species 125, because that's how she regarded her self in her own terms, which became the foundation of the Borg Origin.

 

[The Wormhole]

I did not hate watch, nor did I come on here and slam people who did love it.

BORING!!!

 

[F. King Daniel]

I pointed out that the Borg Queen now has freckles on Twitter and Annie liked it

 

[Lord Exor]

I know this is an alternate timeline and all, but if they start trying to cast the Queen in a sympathetic light, I'm going to laugh.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I know this is an alternate timeline and all, but if they start trying to cast the Queen in a sympathetic light, I'm going to laugh.

What's not sympathetic about the Queen?

She sees a universe of turmoil, and strives to bring order.

 

[Turtletrekker]

What's not sympathetic about the Queen?

She sees a universe of turmoil, and strives to bring order.

Much like Thanos.

 

[Lord Exor]

What's not sympathetic about the Queen?

She sees a universe of turmoil, and strives to bring order.

The Borg did nothing wrong, right?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I've never seen anyone complain.

Well...

Individuals can struggle and fret up till assimilation, and then the're cool with it.

Like the other side of the pillow.

 

[publiusr]

She only mentioned that she originated from Species 125, a factoid that always bemused me. Logically, the Queen should derive from the species the Borg were founded upon. It's odd to think that the Borg would have retroactively appointed themselves a vain dictator, albeit relatively early in their history.

That’s why I came up with the idea that..,like Seven’s parents, she was doing research on the Borg. A good backstory would to make her an expert on insect hive minds and how parasites can gain entry. She might be more akin to those spiders that look like ants…and then made herself a queen in something that was all drones before.

 

[Tuskin38]

I know this is an alternate timeline and all, but if they start trying to cast the Queen in a sympathetic light, I'm going to laugh.

That seems very unlikely.