Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x03 - "We'll Always Have Tom Paris"

[cooleddie74]

FIRE EVERYTHING!!!!!!

Wait...

 

[The Wormhole]

I have a problem that Star Trek keeps doing it. I don't want an on-screen explanation, I want them to get their shit together and settle on one uniform style at a time.

What about the fact that actual militaries of today have multiple uniform styles in circulation? Or are you going to claim "Starfleet isn't a military" to shoot this down?

 

[Crewman6]

What about the fact that actual militaries of today have multiple uniform styles in circulation? Or are you going to claim "Starfleet isn't a military" to shoot this down?

Different styles for different jobs, ranks, divisions, postings, etc. etc. Pretty sure all submarines have consistent uniforms, all aircraft carriers have the same uniforms, etc.

I thought it was very cool that DS9 had two uniform styles for what was clearly two different kinds of postings (DS9 and the traditional TNG uniform for starships.) But everything after that has just been random, sloppy bullshit for no reason.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, when my dad was in the USAF from 1947 to 1971 he wore different uniforms depending on location, weather and the job he was doing.

 

[Crewman6]

What does a fish need with a submarine?

He had a gimpy fin and was chased by sharks. A sub would have solved all his problems.

 

[Commander Troi]

It's a military force(sorry, peacenik fans ) and the military doesn't have one design of uniform for all officers and enlisted personnel no matter their jobs or ranks. Starfleet's no different.

I already did that thread!

 

[The Wormhole]

I thought it was very cool that DS9 had two uniform styles for what was clearly two different kinds of postings (DS9 and the traditional TNG uniform for starships.) But everything after that has just been random, sloppy bullshit for no reason.

Wut? We still have the different styles for different postings, it's literally the same principal on Lower Decks and Disco as it was on DS9 with their uniforms and the TNG uniforms.

At this point, you really are just coming off as a "old shows do it it's okay, modern shows do it it sucks."

 

[thribs]

The only issue there is that the admirals should be wearing the FC uniforms. Only Ceritos’ crew should have this uniform

 

[fireproof78]

Wut? We still have the different styles for different postings, it's literally the same principal on Lower Decks and Disco as it was on DS9 with their uniforms and the TNG uniforms.

At this point, you really are just coming off as a "old shows do it it's okay, modern shows do it it sucks."

I think there is a desire for some reason for it to happen now, which is a common critique I see of new shows, that they are changing things for the sake of changing rather than respecting what has come before. Thus far, no amount of past examples are going to satisfy this expectation.

 

[Spike730]

We also have the Janeway hologram wearing the old jumpsuit even though the ship clearly is post FC. I find this kind of insulting, because it insinuates that the audience is too dumb to recognize her otherwise. That also seems to be the reason for Riker and Troi in FC uniforms in LD.

 

[jackoverfull]

The only issue there is that the admirals should be wearing the FC uniforms. Only Ceritos’ crew should have this uniform

perhaps admiral freeman handles the engineering fleet…did we see other admirals so far?

 

[dupersuper]

But Tawny Newsome is 38 and the characters were reportedly cast so they could be played by their voice actors in live action, meaning we can’t have a serious age discrepancy. Jack Quaid is 29.

If true, the closest live action series chronologically is Picard, which would add 9 years...unless they do a Short Trek, but then they can set it whenever they like.

"Well, for a cat who swore she'd never return to the Starfleet..."

The cat came back, the very next day...

 

[The Wormhole]

perhaps admiral freeman handles the engineering fleet…did we see other admirals so far?

On Lower Decks? Yes, there were two other Admirals seen in the first season, this unnamed Admiral in Temporal Edict and Admiral Vassery seen Moist Vessel and Crisis Point.

 

[Crewman6]

Wut? We still have the different styles for different postings, it's literally the same principal on Lower Decks and Disco as it was on DS9 with their uniforms and the TNG uniforms.

At this point, you really are just coming off as a "old shows do it it's okay, modern shows do it it sucks."

Good god, it's not the same and I never said it was "okay" that the old shows did it, I have been complaining vociferously about the shit-show that was "Generations."

Deep Space Nine: Different uniforms for fancy starships versus rough and tumble space stations. DS9 went out of its way to show us that the TNG uniforms still existed for starship duty or fancy Starfleet headquarters duty (The Jem Hadar, Explorers, Homefront, etc.)

On DIS and LD, it's different uniforms at random for different starships. There's no justification for different uniforms between the Cerritos and the Titan or the Discovery and the Enterprise. THAT'S the difference and that's been my sole point.

 

[fireproof78]

Hero ship. That's it.

 

[NCC-73515]

Allegedly, as far as I remember, it was not an issue of familiarity, but that the discarded uniforms ended up not looking very well on screen. Why they did the mix is beyond me.

Yes, they apparently didn't fit well and only looked good on paper, which can happen with brand-new untested costumes.

Yeah, when my dad was in the USAF from 1947 to 1971 he wore different uniforms depending on location, weather and the job he was doing.

That's it - the weather on the Cerritos is different!

 

[cooleddie74]

In Star Trek V there were five uniform variants depending on the crewmember and mission: the Red Maroons, Kirk's bomber jacket with rank insignia, the landing party/strike team uniforms, the yeoman/cadet-style uniforms and the engineering uniforms seen ever since TMP.

 

[Amaris]

In Star Trek V there were five uniform variants depending on the crewmember and mission: the Red Maroons, Kirk's bomber jacket with rank insignia, the landing party/strike team uniforms, the yeoman/cadet-style uniforms and the engineering uniforms seen ever since TMP.

Lots of great uniforms in that movie. I know everyone's different, but damn I still love those monster maroons.

 

[cooleddie74]

TFF has its problems but the Starfleet uniforms aren't one of them. Everyone looks sharp in their Starfleet duds in that film.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

damn I still love those monster maroons.

The 'Starfleet Marine Corps' fan club used to cosplay with a variant of the Monster Maroons...but in BLACK.

Now THAT I'd like to see.

In fact, that's totally going in my headcanon as the 'real' uniforms worn by the in-universe SFMC during the movie era. (And which Colonel West should have worn in ST VI, of course.)

As for the TOS era SFMC..black, as well. But in TOS style.