Was Jake a Maquis spy?? Was Kasidy? (Abandoned plot?)

[nineforty]

minor spoilers ahead:

I'm rewatching Deep Space 9 (I'm relatively new to the Star Trek universe for a guy in his mid thirties) and I know it is never fully fleshed out to support a solid hypothesis, but I thought it was fun nonetheless:

Jake may have been a Maquis spy. Re-watching S3:E22 and it is Jake who makes a joke about him being a part of Maquis, in which there is a long pause while his father explores the possibility of it being true, before Jake ultimately starts laughing it off and says something along the lines of, "I got you!".

And then in the same episode, he talks of introducing his father to who turns out to be Kasidy, I think? And her and her ship had Maquis connections (smuggling runs, unbeknownst to her I guess; the episode where she turns herself in for punishment)...

Now I know this doesn't come to fruition, but I wonder if anyone else thinks that the writers may have been planting seeds for this possibly to happen? The Maquis storyline obviously goes elsewhere...but this 1 episode in particular got me thinking! Going to keep watching for any possible clues to support this. And i'm sure someone's response shortly will destroy this/me, in which case, I say Bring it! I welcome it haha

 

[STEPhon IT]

I wish you were writing for the character of Jake, at least you're actually thinking of an interesting take on the character. The writer angle could've been just a cover for something more interesting.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Not likely. Like, I don’t think Kassidy’s involvement with the Maquis was intended at that point. Hell, I don’t even know how fair it is to say she was involved with them - she smuggled humanitarian supplies, but that doesn’t actually make her a Maquis proper. Her arrest is more due to the whole “the Maquis are enemies, this is supplying the enemy, we have to punish you for it.”

I mean, they scrapped later plots BECAUSE they would threaten the Ben-Jake relationship. I don’t think the writers were ever going in that direction, or that Avery Brooks would have supported it, given his push for showing a positive depiction of black parent-child relations.

I honestly get the feeling that the DS9 writers never really knew what to do with the Maquis - the Maquis were developed for Voyager, but, since Chakotay’s ship would not carry every Maquis ever, DS9 had to actually handle the aftermath, and... They did not really know how to go with them from that point. Like they’re just kinda “generic terrorists” in the plot now that Bajoran-Cardassian relations are no longer the focus and there’s a peace treaty, then they get offhandedly wiped out once the Dominion takes the mantle of looming threat. The DS9 writers just didn’t really click with them, so I doubt that giving them a connection to the Siskos that divides father and son was ever legitimately on the table.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Not likely. Like, I don’t think Kassidy’s involvement with the Maquis was intended at that point. Hell, I don’t even know how fair it is to say she was involved with them - she smuggled humanitarian supplies, but that doesn’t actually make her a Maquis proper.

Exactly.

Kasidy was never a member of the Maquis, nor did she ever act to further their ends. All she did was smuggle medical supplies to them.

There's zero evidence she ever actually sympathized with the Maquis in any way.

And Jake? Not a chance. He would never betray his father.

 

[STEPhon IT]

minor spoilers ahead:

I'm rewatching Deep Space 9 (I'm relatively new to the Star Trek universe for a guy in his mid thirties) and I know it is never fully fleshed out to support a solid hypothesis, but I thought it was fun nonetheless:

Jake may have been a Maquis spy. Re-watching S3:E22 and it is Jake who makes a joke about him being a part of Maquis, in which there is a long pause while his father explores the possibility of it being true, before Jake ultimately starts laughing it off and says something along the lines of, "I got you!".

And then in the same episode, he talks of introducing his father to who turns out to be Kasidy, I think? And her and her ship had Maquis connections (smuggling runs, unbeknownst to her I guess; the episode where she turns herself in for punishment)...

Now I know this doesn't come to fruition, but I wonder if anyone else thinks that the writers may have been planting seeds for this possibly to happen? The Maquis storyline obviously goes elsewhere...but this 1 episode in particular got me thinking! Going to keep watching for any possible clues to support this. And i'm sure someone's response shortly will destroy this/me, in which case, I say Bring it! I welcome it haha

Still like the idea or even having Jake be a spy for the Federation as he claim to be reporting the Maquis but giving info to the Federation and Sisko learns about it later.

 

[nineforty]

thanks all for the replies. it admittedly is a far-out there idea with little to hang my hat on haha.

 

[STEPhon IT]

thanks all for the replies. it admittedly is a far-out there idea with little to hang my hat on haha.

Wasn't Star Trek: Deep Space Nine a far-out idea with little to hang Paramount's hat on? The concept was bold until they sold out to a war and even with my critique of it, it was a far-out idea. You delivering an idea is more than I can say for what Ira and gang did for Jake Sisko, a very interesting character IMO.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I’m not sure that makes sense for his character. First for it to even be possible he’d need to personally witness atrocities carried out by Cardassians. Even with that, his style would probably be writing articles that take the side of the Maquis rather than any direct participation.

 

[Kor]

I don't think it would be plausible for Jake to be radicalized into working for the Maquis.

Kor

 

[STEPhon IT]

I’m not sure that makes sense for his character. First for it to even be possible he’d need to personally witness atrocities carried out by Cardassians. Even with that, his style would probably be writing articles that take the side of the Maquis rather than any direct participation.

We need stories or a story to develop such a turn, I didn't expect it to happen all of a sudden, like Eddington being the leader of the Maquis.

 

[nineforty]

I'm new to the Trek universe (about 3 years ago I started TNG and had only previously seen the JJ Abrams movies) so I feel like I haven't earned my pipps (is that correct? lol) to be overly critical. But I think there were missed opportunities for Jake's character or arc, as alluded by STEPhon IT.

 

[Kor]

I always thought that the "Federation News Service" that Jake worked for sounded like some kind of government-sponsored PR thing. Maybe they could have portrayed Jake's efforts to get real, hard-hitting news to the press while his editors are spinning everything into some kind of idealized pro-Federation propaganda. Or something.

Kor

 

[STEPhon IT]

If Ira's boys had any interest in Jake, the stories skies the limits. Bashir had enough on his plate and if Jake was made an agent no one, even Sisko, would've never believed it. It doesn't have to be something as obvious as that silly Kassidy Yates being a Maquis smuggler but it could've been something where Jake was suspected and Odo and the DS9 crew didn't know who's side was he on? I would be really interested if it wasn't the Federation or the Maquis who gave Jake this assignment but a new alien race in the Gamma Quadrant. SO much potential, the Gamma Quadrant had many stories to tell but instead saddled with a boring war. Ugh.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I think Jake was simply hard to write for when DS9’s overall framing was “Starfleet base on the frontier, becomes the central position to galactic level events.” Especially when it was decided he wouldn’t join Starfleet. Everything that centered on him at that point becomes a much smaller scale story - back in season three, they balanced the heavy plot of Bareil dying with Jake and Nog on a double date, and I think EVERYONE was disappointed with those results. Most of the avenues of getting Jake involved in bigger plots are cut off by him actively choosing to remain a civilian - giving him security clearance, even as a reporter, would honestly run that risk of putting him in opposition to Sisko, and again, writers purposefully killed other stories that would have threatened that relationship.

When almost every other character is wearing a uniform, it is very difficult to put Jake into those same situations. It’s a complication that could be interesting to approach, but I feel like it’s something better suited to a novel than an average episode, because it’s just hard to work in to the standard day-to-day development of a TV show.

 

[STEPhon IT]

DS9 was one of those series where we had civilian stories and one way to continue to expand and explore Bajor the showrunners would have O'Brien or the Doctor to go on a humanitarian mission. You're right, a novel could explore those things but I thought the showrunners were so interested in bringing all of those new characters like Martok, and Vic, and the uprising of Nog and Rom there was no room for Jake. I didn't believe the show needed those characters, what they had could've been shuffled in to fit the stories told, but they never cared about Jake. A part of me believes they didn't like a kid or a civilian involved in their stories and later I thought show was weaker for that.

Some times a show needs to breath a bit and the whole war thing from season 4 with the Klingons and later transitioning with the All Mighty Dominion killed the expansion of the worlds created.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think it would be plausible for Jake to be radicalized into working for the Maquis.

Kor

Agreed. Nor does it sound interesting.

 

[nineforty]

Agreed. Nor does it sound interesting.

lol

 

[kkt]

Also, to tell an in-depth story about Jake, Cirroc would have to be in most of the episodes. I'm not sure he was up for that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I always thought that the "Federation News Service" that Jake worked for sounded like some kind of government-sponsored PR thing. Maybe they could have portrayed Jake's efforts to get real, hard-hitting news to the press while his editors are spinning everything into some kind of idealized pro-Federation propaganda. Or something.

Kor

There are a number of different news networks that we've seen over the years. The scenes on the Enterprise-B in GEN had reporters from three different networks: Federation News Network, Starfleet Broadcasting, and the Earth Broadcasting Service.

Also the FNN was briefly shown in that PIC Short Trek (the attack on Mars). It wasn't exactly acting as propaganda there.

 

[at Quark's]

<In Sisko's private quarters, Sisko, Jake, and Kasidy are having one of Sisko's hand prepared meals with his famous homegrown peppers. The intercom beeps>

Odo: My apologies for disturbing you while you are off-duty, Captain, but this couldn't wait.
Sisko: No problem Odo, go on.
Odo: Unfortunately, we have discovered irrefutable evidence that both Jake and Kasidy have been in almost daily correspondence with Eddington, delivering him classified information.

Now, I'm curious as to how the rest of that scene would play out