Hm... a ceiling. I must check it out.We also see that little Jeffries Tube alcove in "What Little Girls Are Made Of..." when 'Driod Kirk comes aboard. Spock is seen crouching near the tube as Kirk strides out the lift.
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The Herbarium is a very interesting room. It definitely inspired Franz Joseph's deck 8 rec area. I think it belongs on deck 8. But calling it the Herbarium is probably a mistake.
This drawing shows that it was built for Elaan of Troyius (57th produced story). You can see the drawing shows the set very much as constructed. Though it seems to have a fountain instead of plants in the middle. That scene was cut, but it was used again in And The Children Shall Lead virtually untouched. Both feature food processors to the left and a floating wall to the right. Actually in Elaan of Troyius you can't see any further to the right than in this drawing. There is a comm on the first panel, then a larger straight panel, then two more panels.
This shows the typical 6'6" tall 4' wide door. I was able to determine the size by guessing that Matt Jefferies would keep the numbers as round as possible. 7' planeter/fountain, 7' distance from the center planter to the side planters. 25' diameter room. It came out looking more like I expected.
But then for Is There In Truth No Beauty, Jefferies wanted (or was asked) to design a new set. Really just large rectangular room added to this one with another door and some equipment and special tables. They didn't do it and instead just redressed this set, taking out the central planter and using tables full of plants. So all those drawings for episode 62 amounted to nothing and have no bearing on what we saw in the episode.
This drawing shows that it was built for Elaan of Troyius (57th produced story). You can see the drawing shows the set very much as constructed. Though it seems to have a fountain instead of plants in the middle. That scene was cut, but it was used again in And The Children Shall Lead virtually untouched. Both feature food processors to the left and a floating wall to the right. Actually in Elaan of Troyius you can't see any further to the right than in this drawing. There is a comm on the first panel, then a larger straight panel, then two more panels.
This shows the typical 6'6" tall 4' wide door. I was able to determine the size by guessing that Matt Jefferies would keep the numbers as round as possible. 7' planeter/fountain, 7' distance from the center planter to the side planters. 25' diameter room. It came out looking more like I expected.
But then for Is There In Truth No Beauty, Jefferies wanted (or was asked) to design a new set. Really just large rectangular room added to this one with another door and some equipment and special tables. They didn't do it and instead just redressed this set, taking out the central planter and using tables full of plants. So all those drawings for episode 62 amounted to nothing and have no bearing on what we saw in the episode.
These plans are really cool. Where are you getting set plans for individual episodes? I'm only aware of 1-2 of them that were shown in "Inside Star Trek".I too look forward to your results with the herbarium, it's one of those rare mystery sets!
It doesn't look 7' tall when compared to the actors though (unless Comissioner Ferris was incredibly tall!)
The turbolift doors were only 3'6" wide though, compared to 4' wide which was the standard for double pocket doors elsewhere. Perhaps this is throwing off your calculations?
Incidentally, in the screencap above the height/width ratio of the doorway matches up with 78"x42" almost exactly.
Another excellent idea! We never saw Sulu's or Chekov's quarters, but there's plenty of other examples (including Rand)
Regarding the engineering area, did you mean this?
That's the Jefferies Tube and its overhead lighting mesh. In Season One the Jefferis Tube was housed in a little room just off the main corridor. Charlie X shows the doorway, the corridor beyond and the shadows from the lighting mesh quite well:
Charlie's quarters were built pretty much as shown, although the bed seems not to have been included. We get a better look at the cabin in Conscience Of The King.
Lots of internet searches. I have Charlie X, Balance of Terror, Journey to Babel, and the generic one in TMOST (from season 2). Other plans are taken from examining what set was modified (such as the botany lab in The Man Trap being a redress of the Sickbay exam room, the theater being a redress of Engineering in Conscience of the King) and lots of examining of stills of the episodes. I'd have to claim a lot of help from fellow members with regard to Engineering. There are some good examinations of the variations that the Engineering set went through. And one good source has been the photos of Jefferies scale set model. Auxiliary control and the Upper port Engineering room are represented on the model though no plans have been made public.
Some extrapolations have been to take Charlie's quarters and modify it for Anton Karidian's quarters and Pike's Quarter. Pike's quarters then leads to the Pilot briefing room. For many of my set drawings of sets that were frequently modified, I chose one version as the best representation. Often the one with the most details or the one that fits the best. Like the Transporter room and the forward port side of main Engineering for seasons 2/3. There are often common pieces that let me quickly scale things. Like I found that my first attempt at the Herbarium and someone else's drawings of the pilot briefing room were too small. Pike's quarters has a unique ceiling feature that it shares with the briefing room. The Charlie X set plan has a piece of wall used in Pike's quarters which gives the diameter of the set which gives the diameter of the ceiling. So I enlarged the pilot briefing room accordingly and redid it based on watching the set in both pilots. The Herbarium has largely been my own work. It seems to be the one set that we don't have any drawings for or references other than in the episodes. We can tell where some other sets were built or are a redress, but that one was built in Season 3 and only used 3 times. That one took me measuring people and calculating other people's height to get the sizes of the central planter and the distances to the walls. I'm sure I didn't get it 100%, but it is pretty close. I took the doorway from the briefing room and stuck it in the right spot and it fit with the spacing we see in the episode, so if I'm off it isn't by much.
I too look forward to your results with the herbarium, it's one of those rare mystery sets!
It doesn't look 7' tall when compared to the actors though (unless Comissioner Ferris was incredibly tall!)
The actor playing the commissioner was very tall. Probably 6'2. Every camera angle is done to make he and Kirk look the same height, but they aren't, Shatner was shorter. What a ego.
What does ego have to do with it? Hollywood often makes shorter actors appear taller than they are. It’s a common practice.
Coupled with what other people have said about Shatner? An ego isn't a bad thing. It is kind of part of being a star. But just the way they did this one was so obvious.
Ah, I see what you meant now - although we really see precious little of Charlie's cabin in the episode so it's difficult to say how much it was changed for COTK. As you have found with the so-called herbarium, sometimes those sketches are little more than rough starting points.
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You mean the pilot conference room? It was a round room with a ceiling held up by 2 supports. The ceiling was reused in Pike's quarters (which was a smaller round room).
They are not the same ceiling. The conference room "round ceiling disk" is actually round on the edges and a little larger than the one in Pike's room.
Pike's room ceiling piece is faceted on the edges.
Conference room ceiling piece is round on the edges.
Is it possible it was re-used? Maybe the center tube and the inner spokes.
It isn't likely it was reused. But as I look, at it, the Briefing Room set was again used in WNMHGB. And there is a theme. All three sets built for The Cage have that came feature - 6 panels in a circle - Briefing Room, Pike's Quarters, and Transporter Room. Looks like it was a design element.
According to IMDB the Commisioner Ferris actor was 6' 0½" which is only ¾" taller than Lenoard Nimoy
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0186833/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000559/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
I mention Nimoy because we have a really good image from TNT of him standing by the Briefing Room doors, which according to the set plans (with measurements) are 6'6" high. We can therefore compare the two actors and how much space there is above their heads.
Looks pretty close IMO
It also gives us an idea of what a 7' doorway would look above Nimoy's head.
Well, you posted a picture of Nimoy next to a known 6'6" door. The plans say that is how tall it is. The elevator doors are 7'. Otherwise how do you explain this...According to IMDB the Commisioner Ferris actor was 6' 0½" which is only ¾" taller than Lenoard Nimoy
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0186833/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000559/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
I mention Nimoy because we have a really good image from TNT of him standing by the Briefing Room doors, which according to the set plans (with measurements) are 6'6" high. We can therefore compare the two actors and how much space there is above their heads.
Looks pretty close IMO
It also gives us an idea of what a 7' doorway would look above Nimoy's head.
So the elevator doors are 7' tall. This door appears to be 50" wide and the one on the bridge is 45"
I was almost doubting Shatner's true height, but De was the same height. And this photo is at a good angle because it is about head height so there won't be must distortion as they walk toward the camera in terms of where their heads are level to the door frame.
And don't forget to add 2" for their boot heels. Shatner and Kelley are 6' in the boots and Nimoy is 6'2". Likely the guest star, John Crawford, was also in boots that elevated his height.
The doors are different heights:
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https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x04hd/thenakedtimehd0700.jpg
The angle of the photo makes a big difference. Someone standing in front of a door can look taller. I've tried to stick to people moving through the door. Then their head is in the same plane as the doorway and you can get accurate numbers.
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