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The Enterprise That Wasn't
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It is not a convoluted explanaton to say that Kirk could have been given several different middle names and used different versions of his name during his career. That is quite common.
On the contrary It would be impossible for Klinger to naturally have two different blood types during his liftetive. Perhaps highly advanced biological science and technology, advanced enough to make M*A*S*H a science fiction series, could change Klinger's blood type during a span of a few months. And most probably one or both of those episodes had an inaccurate blood type for Klinger.
Again, it s not unusual for someone to be known by different names at different times.
Anne Frances Veronica Hurst (1801-1868) married Jacob Demuth (1779-1842) in 1822 and they had 9 children, including my great great grandfather Henry Corneliaus Demuth (1830-1906). She was menitioned by varius combinations of her names and initials in various documents when she was a widow, so some researchers could possibly think that she was several separate women.
No one is ever going to mention, write, or include in an imperceptible bit of screencapable text that Kirk ever had any middle name other than Tiberius. Just like how they’re not going to have the Enterprise run on lithium crystals and use lasers. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.
This is Star Trek-it all needs explanation and/or rationalization.
Did you also edit Spock using a judo chop?A Kirk by any other name is still a Kirk.
To resolve all our problems with the WNMHGB, I fixed it in my recon remaster of the episode:
You can all thank me, later.
Judo is standard Starfleet Academy training for self-defense. Apparently, Spock was not in position to guarantee a successful neck pinch, so, he defaulted to his Starfleet training. It was calculation on success percentages.
Fortunately he was in tip-top condition.Judo is standard Starfleet Academy training for self-defense. Apparently, Spock was not in position to guarantee a successful neck pinch, so, he defaulted to his Starfleet training. It was calculation on success percentages.
So what. This is a perfectly reasonable explanation for Kirk's two middle initials. Fans should decide that it is probably the simplest and correct explanation, until and unless some canon source contradicts it with a different explanation.
Except when anyone ever watches the episode, they will not be thinking, “Oh, that was that time that Kirk used a different name,” but that it was simply before they chose the one they settled on. The episode, and all those after, didn’t want Kirk to have multiple middle names — just one. Just that the one they gave us changed.
So canon already contradicted it by using the name we know. Fans trying to contradict canon by suggesting ways in which the contradiction isn’t a contradiction isn’t canon’s problem.
Kirk could one day say that his name was always James T. Kirk and fans would try to find a way around that, too. “He had amnesia”…“he saw the name he’d always wanted instead of the name he was given”…etc. There can’t ever be any finality for people who don’t want it.
This is a TV show, and none of this really matters, but it’s on fans to have their pet theories for themselves, not for them to expect that everyone else share them when most people are perfectly comfortable with the real world reason for the difference. Canon doesn’t have to contradict my head canon for my head canon to be only that.
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...Have you by any chance heard of this new show they are running, ST: Lower Decks?
Timo Saloniemi
Never.
In the episode Where No Man Has Gone Before, the character in the episode acknowledges himself as Captain James R. Kirk? Do the characters in the episode called him James R. Kirk? Besides the tombstone was this established? If so, where?
My logic is that when Kirk sees his tombstone, he doesn’t correct Mitchell about his middle initial being wrong. When someone writes your name and misspells it, don’t you immediately point out the mistake? My name is Mark. When someone writes my name as ‘Marc,’ I always point out that it’s with a K, not a C. Granted, the person writing my name isn’t a God-like being who’s trying to kill me, but that’s neither here nor there
If anybody was trying to kill me, correcting such an error would be the least of my concerns.
Also, this was a clue Mitchell was not a God; there was still something human in him. When I saw the episode I didn't see anything which gave me a red flag. Two villains claiming to be God like and having frailties throughout, nothing wrong there, so Mitchell creating that tombstone presented a mistake. A clue he wasn't a God. I didn't probe into production info for Kirk's name, when I saw the R on the tombstone it meant to me Mitchell was wrong. I still don't recall any of the supporting characters mentioned or seen in a record file Jim Kirk's name had R. Call it a happy accident.
There's another James Kirk. Has a R for a middle name. No sense of humor.
His opinion on pesky fish is unknown.
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