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What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?

It's okay I love prequels enough for the both of us.
:)

They challenge our preconceptions and I love that.

Interesting point and much thanks! I know my mind is set in a certain way about why they don't work, but is that my setting myself up for disappointment?

After seeing some clips of DSC, I found the Burnham/Tilly relationship starting out quite well. The Klingons work for any nation state and as something like 200 exist, it's inevitable... The Harry Mudd clips were nothing less than awesome. I liked the idea of Lorca being an infiltrator, with my key gripe being "mirror universe, didn't they already do this the same level in which the horse was whipped into glue?" as I didn't care for it in DS9 (way too fanwanky, and convenient to go to and fro ) and that it seemed too soon in the show's run to reveal him as such.

I'm going to simmer and challenge my own thoughts on this and then look up some fan favorites. Except the ENT Borg episode for now. If the makers want people to see something other than straightforward explanations, then I and others might be completely out of left field. The modern shows seem to swear up a storm, sometimes needlessly perhaps, but I'll give it another go... seeing enough old episodes of the franchise and they have the same continuity and other gaffes, I may have been missing out on more than I'd realized... again, thank you! :techman:
 
It's okay I love prequels enough for the both of us. They challenge our preconceptions and I love that.

Agree on the first part - I do enjoy prequels. In SW, for example, the prequel trilogy used to be my favorite films in the serires (yeah, I said it, anybody have a problem with that? :p ) but now Rogue One is my favorite out of all of them. In fact R1 is one of my favorite movies of all time.

But on the second? Not so much. I rather enjoy my preconceptions. I don't take kindly to having them challenged. :lol:

srsly, what happened to just good old fashioned having FUN? When did it start becoming so fucking important to having "preconceptions challenged" or anything like that? Is simple entertainment becoming obsolete? :(
 
srsly, what happened to just good old fashioned having FUN? When did it start becoming so fucking important to having "preconceptions challenged" or anything like that? Is simple entertainment becoming obsolete? :(

I love Star Trek, I really do, but there have been a few times I got an overload of it. In those cases, I'll temporarily switch to a different series where they simply tell a story. No strings attached, no 'relevant' societal themes in disguise, no moralising, just telling a simple story for the enjoyment of storytelling. Can feel like a breather, before returning to Star Trek.
 
When? What episode? What dialog?

I am honestly not aware of ANY evidence, prior to ENT's airing, regarding when and how first contact with the Klingons went down. There was a bit in TNG where Picard says "Disastrous first contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war" but that's pretty much it.

First contact, as ENT showed it, didn't violate a stitch of canon.
 
I am honestly not aware of ANY evidence, prior to ENT's airing, regarding when and how first contact with the Klingons went down. There was a bit in TNG where Picard says "Disastrous first contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war" but that's pretty much it.

First contact, as ENT showed it, didn't violate a stitch of canon.
Exactly. Ridiculous.
 
First contact I guess was when Klaang landed on Earth and was shot by one of the locals.
With humans at least. Other races contacted them earlier. Then again the Federation is often a "Homo sapiens only club" when looking at history.
 
When? What episode? What dialog?
I am honestly not aware of ANY evidence, prior to ENT's airing, regarding when and how first contact with the Klingons went down. There was a bit in TNG where Picard says "Disastrous first contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war" but that's pretty much it.

First contact, as ENT showed it, didn't violate a stitch of canon.
Exactly. Ridiculous.

Trouble with Tribbles. It's explained here...
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Human-Klingon_history
 
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What's posted on that page is a total misreading of that dialog in "The Trouble with Tribbles."

KIRK: Mister Spock, immediate past history of the quadrant?
SPOCK: Under dispute between the two parties since initial contact. The battle of Donatu Five was fought near here twenty three solar years ago. Inconclusive.
KIRK: Analysis of disputed area?
SPOCK: Undeveloped. Sherman's Planet is claimed by both sides, our Federation and the Klingon Empire. We do have the better claim.
CHEKOV: The area was first mapped by the famous Russian astronomer Ivan Borkoff almost two hundred
KIRK: John Burke.
CHEKOV: Burke, sir? I don't think so. I'm sure it was
SPOCK: John Burke was the Chief Astronomer at the Royal Academy in old Britain at the time.
CHEKOV: Oh, Royal Academy. Well
KIRK: is the rest of your history that faulty, Ensign? Key points of dispute?
CHEKOV: Under terms of the Organian Peace Treaty, one side or the other must prove it can develop the planet most efficiently.
KIRK: And unfortunately, though the Klingons are brutal and aggressive, they are most efficient.​

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/42.htm

It's obviously referring to only the history of the area near Space Station K-7 and Sherman's Planet. It's referring to initial contact with the quadrant.

Note that, in TOS, "quadrant" didn't yet have the meaning that it acquired in the 24th century era spin-offs. In TOS, "quadrant" meant simply an undefined region of space, often simply that in which the events of this week's episode took place.
 
There's enough ambiguity to go around. First contact between the Klingons and...who, exactly? Earth? The Federation? Starfleet?

And if that, WHICH Starfleet? Earth Starfleet, or Federation Starfleet? They're not the same organization.
 
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What's posted on that page is a total misreading of that dialog in "The Trouble with Tribbles."

KIRK: Mister Spock, immediate past history of the quadrant?
SPOCK: Under dispute between the two parties since initial contact. The battle of Donatu Five was fought near here twenty three solar years ago. Inconclusive.
KIRK: Analysis of disputed area?
SPOCK: Undeveloped. Sherman's Planet is claimed by both sides, our Federation and the Klingon Empire. We do have the better claim.
CHEKOV: The area was first mapped by the famous Russian astronomer Ivan Borkoff almost two hundred
KIRK: John Burke.
CHEKOV: Burke, sir? I don't think so. I'm sure it was
SPOCK: John Burke was the Chief Astronomer at the Royal Academy in old Britain at the time.
CHEKOV: Oh, Royal Academy. Well
KIRK: is the rest of your history that faulty, Ensign? Key points of dispute?
CHEKOV: Under terms of the Organian Peace Treaty, one side or the other must prove it can develop the planet most efficiently.
KIRK: And unfortunately, though the Klingons are brutal and aggressive, they are most efficient.​

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/42.htm

It's obviously referring to only the history of the area near Space Station K-7 and Sherman's Planet. It's referring to initial contact with the quadrant.

Note that, in TOS, "quadrant" didn't yet have the meaning that it acquired in the 24th century era spin-offs. In TOS, "quadrant" meant simply an undefined region of space, often simply that in which the events of this week's episode took place.
I don't think the dialogue you posted makes your interpretation definitive (and there are clearly a great many who disagree with you).
This line?
Nope/

Ninja'd!!!!
You use the term "Ninja'd" far too liberally.
 
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I don't think the dialogue you posted makes your interpretation definitive (and there clearly a great many who disagree with you). There is a cle
Within the context of TOS it makes perfect sense.

You use the term "Ninja'd" far too liberally.
Do I? It's rather common around here when one is beaten to the punch, as @CorporalCaptain did with me
 
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