That sounds like far too much of a nanny state for my tastes. The state determining whether or not you're happy enough? There's your dystopia.
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Remember how in 'Amok Time' when Spock believed he had killed Kirk?
Spock: Doctor, I shall be resigning my commission immediately. There can be no excuse for the crime of which I'm guilty. I intend to offer no defence. Furthermore, I shall order Mister Scott to take immediate command of this vessel.
And yet, when Agnes murdered Bruce Maddox while he was in sickbay, everyone was all too happy to forget that awful deed since they didn't get the chance to make it to the staircase where she was going to turn herself in. I guess getting better means swiping bad deeds under the rug and being rewarded for it.
This guys videos just cherry picking and disingenuous shit to appeal to the YT incel crowd. You could inverse this video and use clips from TNG and Discovery.
Don't be stupid. She was brainwashed under the effects of a mind meld, under extreme duress with direct orders from the head of Starfleet Security. Geordi wasn't held accountable for the multiple times he was almost responsible for assassinations and was largely responsible for the Enterprise-D being destroyed by a 90 year old bird of prey. You can go on and on and on and on and on.
To be fair, when "The Neutral Zone" was written, the characters and their inherent value systems were still being worked out/under the influence of Roddenberry. So later seasons and shows tend to contradict the first season of TNG. Just take Picard's attitude about the three 20th century survivors. He wants nothing to do with them and asks Riker to make sure they don't get in his way. There's no way the Picard from later seasons would act that way. He would be all about wanting to get to know them and the time they came from.
He almost hoped that they were dead for good!
And in another episode Spock was under the influence of alien spores and assaulted Kirk and was going to kill him if the affect had not worn off. No repercussions for the assault. As @Phily B notes Geordi was under mind control to associate a Klingon governor. Being under alien influence has always been treated as a defense against the crimes committed. This is now new to Trek under Kurtzman.
Wait so you're saying, by this logic, if running the vineyard was his passion, but he absolutely sucked at it, the Federation would see themselves as justified to take it away from him? As if he were a child and didn't take care of his toy? Is trying and failing not allowed in your vision of the Federation?
How much demand is there really for real wine when most people would be just fine with the replicated stuff? Maybe Picard basically has to give it away, and it's a passion project.
IMHO though PIC really fucked up by showing those workers on his vineyard - along with Picard threatening to fire one for being racist against Romulans. While it was always head-scratching to me why anyone would want to wait tables in Sisko's Creole Kitchen, I could at least excuse that as some sort of apprenticeship program to learn how to be a great chef. But no one would willingly be an agricultural laborer for someone else for free. I simply can't square it away with a world where "material needs no longer exist." Which would imply that Picard was an unreliable narrator because he was rich and just forgot working-class people exist. Which is...awful.
Where did it ever say she was sentenced to do hard labour?
Bashir's father was sent to a Penal Colony in New Zealand, as was Tom Paris. So they also still exist in the 24th Century.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/New_Zealand_Penal_Settlement
I think that last part was a deleted scene. Are these considered canon?
It’s been speculated in connection with the saucer crash that he might be donating the originals and replicating copies of such items.
And empaths are free to sense your feelings if they can. Telepaths can read your mind and react out loud. Call it what you will, but it’s that kind of society.
Yes, but ST:FC goes back to the relevant lines from “The Neutral Zone”.
I’m just interpreting Roddenberry’s vision. Failing is allowed, why not, but so is helping you with additional staff and suggesting what to do better next time. How can you maintain “paradise” if someone is bungling the job of managing a large historical site? Perhaps their passion simply lies elsewhere.
If that's what you do, then fine, good for you, I guess. But you previously asked "Don't we all" do this, and I was pointing out that no, I don't do it.
The opening scene of Context is for Kings, the other convicts in her shuttle are talking about an accident at labor facility that killed a bunch of workers and necessitated their transfer to it.
Yes, but that's just speculation.
Ah ok. I haven't watched episode 1 in two years, so yeah.
I feel like you're confusing passion with ability. My daughter is SUPER passionate about painting. She (to date) is not very good at it and it is very possible no amount of art classes (Federation help) are going to change that. I encourage her to paint as much as she wants, because she enjoys it. Your interpretation of Roddenberry's vision would have the Federation come and (nicely) slap the paint out of her hands and tell her to go find something more suited to her talents. That is about as far away from Utopia as I can think of.
Speculating and interpreting is something we all do occasionally, but they don't really carry much weight in discussions with other people who don't necessarily speculate and interpret the same way.
And what influence was Captain Vandermeer under when he murdered two people and later committed suicide? We go from a Starfleet where the death penalty is forbidden with one exception (Visiting a planet) to "You will murder whoever we order you to without question or we will murder you and your whole crew." I mean, I had no idea it was that easy to get a Captain of a starship to commit atrocities. Kind of hard to convince anyone that alien mind-control is the way to go when all you need to do in order to get a seasoned Starship Captains to commit atrocities is a simple text message with a 'directive' in the title.
Are you Major Grin from YouTube? You post videos from that channel A LOT here.
So you think that Utopia is about letting someone bungle a responsibility on a totally different scale from harmless painting, with no assistance, nothing? I mean, sure, the Federation might even let you do that, but perhaps a sparsely populated colony or an entire uninhabited planet would be more suitable. If not, at least you’d have assistants who would help you learn what you need to know, but that can also be seen as them taking over if not handled correctly. On the other hand, would someone really be happy if they can see their vineyard isn’t doing well and nobody is doing anything to help them follow their passion?
True, but there is not much more we can do without further evidence on how Picard’s vineyard works. I’ve said before that I’d like to see future installments of the franchise get into the nuts and bolts of the Roddenberry Box, but I suspect that disposable timelines will remain more interesting than what would really become speculative fiction.
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