Kurtzman gets 5 1/2 year deal with 3 new shows in the works

[donners22]

What I dislike the most is revisionism when it comes to the Berman era. I tried making that point with someone on twitter that even the Berman era was losing fans and that there were pretty vocal criticisms about how he ran the franchise back then, and this guy insisted I was wrong because "most fans love the Berman era", you know, in spite of the fact that the ratings were consistently slipping throughout the 90s and 2000s, with ENTERPRISE getting cancelled after losing 10 million viewers.

But no, him and many other seem to have bought into this rose tinted narrative that the 1966-2005 years was a "golden era" for Trek.

Indeed, I recall being frequently upset at the constant negativity around Trek in the late '90s and early '00s - Voyager, Enterprise and the TNG films in particular were vocally disliked by a portion of the fanbase, and Berman and Braga were widely disliked.

Every series other than TNG constantly bled viewers. In 2003, Activision broke its 10-year licence to produce Trek games half-way through, and sued Paramount for having "let the once proud 'Star Trek' franchise stagnate and decay."

I recall an interview with one of the producers of Farscape who promoted that show as the "anti-Trek", built on human solutions rather than technobabble. Most tellingly, Enterprise dropped the Trek table from its title for the first two seasons. The Trek brand was a negative late in that era, which speaks volumes as to how badly it had been run into the ground.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought the reasoning behind not having Star Trek in Enterprise was because it pre-dated, well Star Trek?

In 2003, Activision broke its 10-year licence to produce Trek games half-way through, and sued Paramount for having "let the once proud 'Star Trek' franchise stagnate and decay."

Wow I never knew that
https://investor.activision.com/new...-files-breach-contract-lawsuit-against-viacom

 

[F. King Daniel]

It still boggles the mind that people have been able to monetize on youtube stuff that weirdos like Paramobius did here for years for free

I've said ot before and I'll say it again, I wish I thought of it. Does Doomcock even really hate modern Trek? I doubt it. It's just clickbait for idiots - and there are a LOT of idiots out there.

 

[Skipper]

The current Star Trek is always hated and all the old stuff is loved. I guarantee you in twenty years, the current Star Trek will be hated and people will be nostalgic about the Kurtzman days. This is the Way.

Yeeeep!

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

Except that Treksters started to embrace TNG when it improved in quality with the hiring of Michael Piller in Season 3. I've perceived no noticeable increase in quality of Discovery, the third season of which was probably the most irritating of the lot. So, for longtime fans to come around to something, it actually has to be more than, you know, disposable pablum. Same thing with DS9, it increased in popularity when people started watching the more serialized show on home video and saw how good the writing and extended cast were. So, there isn't some magical timer that eventually makes a Star Trek show popular if it's bereft of any redeeming and lasting qualities, such as is the case with product made under the aegis of the blank-expression Mummy-Transformers guy.

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

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[Danja]

I feel like most of the things said about Kurtzman and Discovery could be totally interchanged with things said about Berman and Enterprise. But sometimes it seems like I'm the only one who remembers how much people loathed Berman and Enterprise.

"There can BE no Trek without Kirk and Spock! Kirk was the first Captain of the Enterprise!"

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Except that Treksters started to embrace TNG when it improved in quality with the hiring of Michael Piller in Season 3. I've perceived no noticeable increase in quality of Discovery, the third season of which was probably the most irritating of the lot. So, for longtime fans to come around to something, it actually has to be more than, you know, disposable pablum. Same thing with DS9, it increased in popularity when people started watching the more serialized show on home video and saw how good the writing and extended cast were. So, there isn't some magical timer that eventually makes a Star Trek show popular if it's bereft of any redeeming and lasting qualities, such as is the case with product made under the aegis of the blank-expression Mummy-Transformers guy.

You're going by the assumption most fans don't like the show. If that's true, why is CBS quadrupling down and extending contracts?

 

[Skipper]

You're going by the assumption most fans don't like the show. If that's true, why is CBS quadrupling down and extending contracts?

Because they are failing and they want to hide it! Don't you watch YouTube?!?!

Joking aside, I don't know how one can knows what "most fans" like or don't like...

 

[MakeshiftPython]

That moment when YouTubers realize that Disco fans are the silent majority.

 

[KennyB]

Because they are failing and they want to hide it! Don't you watch YouTube?!?!

Joking aside, I don't know how one can knows what "most fans" like or don't like...

God---for a second I thought you were serious! So hard to tell these days.

 

[KennyB]

That moment when YouTubers realize that Disco fans are the silent majority.

YouTubers.....most people like or don't like. It takes a special breed to spend 40 hours a week complaining about things.....for ad revenue. Wait a minute...........I think they MIGHT be doing this for MONEY!

 

[RAMA]

What I dislike the most is revisionism when it comes to the Berman era. I tried making that point with someone on twitter that even the Berman era was losing fans and that there were pretty vocal criticisms about how he ran the franchise back then, and this guy insisted I was wrong because "most fans love the Berman era", you know, in spite of the fact that the ratings were consistently slipping throughout the 90s and 2000s, with ENTERPRISE getting cancelled after losing 10 million viewers.

But no, him and many other seem to have bought into this rose tinted narrative that the 1966-2005 years was a "golden era" for Trek.

Just a couple of points...

"losing 10 million viewers"...is a misnomer. No show keeps its premiere audience in the whole, it's unfair to compare that way.

I agree, lots of people were critical of the 2000-2005 era, but I have to give Berman his due with early (or most of) 90s Trek, so I don't want people thinking I hate Berman..there was indeed a "Golden Era" during that period, depending on how you define it of course, but I do think it fits that description.

However, it is clear that Kurtzman has rectified many of the late-era Berman Trek issues...many of the things I had criticized or suggested here in the early 2000s are what they are doing now! So generally I'm pretty happy with modern Trek.

RAMA

 

[Skipper]

The problem with streaming platforms is that you have absolutely no idea of the success of a series (virtually every time a series is canceled / renewed it's a surprise). Therefore, since there are no reliable data and facts, people feel authorized to invent them so they rant on something.

 

[Coops]

Yeeeep!

That should be sent to every 'its-not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be' complainer every time they start spitting nonsense.

Although, I'm still disappointed Burton wasn't actually "The new Spock", perhaps it's that slightly terrifying photo they're using

 

[Skipper]

Although, I'm still disappointed Burton wasn't actually "The new Spock", perhaps it's that slightly terrifying photo they're using

We talked about this article on another thread. It seems it was written in a very early development phase (there was no Worf and some names are different).

 

[RAMA]

The problem with streaming platforms is that you have absolutely no idea of the success of a series (virtually every time a series is canceled / renewed it's a surprise). Therefore, since there are no reliable data and facts, people feel authorized to invent them so they rant on something.

Actually, I've posted lots of metrics both on Facebook and here, and I also post financials and as much as possible, both investment and revenue, and its been clear all along that Kurtzman Trek has been hugely successful.

RAMA

 

[Skipper]

Actually, I've posted lots of metrics both on Facebook and here, and I also post financials and as much as possible, both investment and revenue, and its been clear all along that Kurtzman Trek has been hugely successful.

RAMA

Well, I admit I oversimplified it. Probably because I was thinking about the new Masters series on Netflix.

 

[Ometiklan]

Hmm, seems like in a New York Times article/interview with Kurtzman (I don't have a subscription, so I can't see what his actual quotes contain, but the summaries are reported elsewhere), he confirms active development of a Starfleet Academy show. Surprised that hasn't been mentioned here and that there is nothing on TrekMovie.com (generally my go-to source for good reporting on Trek).

The summary articles got me excited for a moment when I conflated two adjacent sentences which I thought indicated that they would be bringing back Michelle Yeoh as Captain Georgiou for the Academy show. Now that would be something I would like to see. Prime Georgiou is 1000x better than Empress Georgiou. But, alas, they just were incorrectly reporting "Captain" Georgiou being intended for the Section 31 show.

Edit: Kurtzman also mentions wanted to get a little "weirder" in new Trek shows. Inspired by what Marvel is doing in the MCU. While I think the MCU's "weirder" attempts are pretty tame overall, I appreciate the sentiment for Trek - a fresh approach is always welcome if it is quality (which has been mixed in the Kurtzman era, IMO).

 

[Skipper]

he confirms active development of a Starfleet Academy show.

Wow! The lengths they are going to to hide that the Trek relaunch is a failure!!!