2021 Emmy Nominations
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And just like you think DSC was undeserving of it’s Emmy noms, I think DSC was also undeserving of most of those down votes at Rotten Tomatos. That website has a rep for being a place used by certain types to express political opinions rather than express honest feelings about movies,TV shows, etc. I think the Emmy Awards has much more credibility than Rotten Tomatoes. I’m sure you disagree.
Lastly, we would not even be getting a Strange New Worlds, if DSC had not proven to CBS that Trek could still be a viable and profitable entertainment product. So, it could be said that DSC actually saved TV Trek.
I think the Emmy Awards has much more credibility than Rotten Tomatoes. I’m sure you disagree.
Of course I don't disagree, they 100% do have more credibility........ but they didn't give either Star Trek show any of the more prestigious nominations! That's the whole point of this discussion. Trek has always done well in prosthetics or visuals.
Well, you were the one that brought up DSC’s fan ranking atRotten Tomato’s, as though that site did have credibility.
But I hope everyone reading realize that this is simply the way you’ve chosen to view DSC’s Emmy noms presumably because you don’t like the show. In no world does an American TV show not view Emmy noms as a positive . A real negative is not being nominated at all, though that’s no indication of the lack of a show’s quality.
The Emmys are under no obligation to nominate Trek shows for any awards, yet they still do. Just think what you’d be saying if DSC had been shut out completel
As an aside, and this really has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, but despite the Emmy nominations the franchise’s shows have received, the Television Academy has gotten into the habit, developed over the last 50+ years, of simply not respecting Star Trek with respect to writing, acting, directing. The Academy voters have always known about the Trek shows, obviously, but I suspect that when they’ve watched the shows, they see them in a different light from other shows.
That’s why SAG recognized the franchise years ago. They realized that some great TV episodes had been ignored simply because they had the name, Star Trek. Just my opinion.
If you had read my post properly, my mention of RT was in reply to a comment about the popularity of the show WITH THE FANS. So I thought the RT Audience Score was pertinent.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Of course they're under no obligation, and of course they still do... in prosthetics and visual effects. And rightly so, Trek is at the forefront of both those categories.
Meanwhile shows like Wandavision and Mandalorian, similar type of shows... get a ton of nominations for things like acting, writing and direction. And rightly so, they're of a high enough quality for that. Current Trek isn't, imo. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy current Trek.
Just means its poor quality.
I did read your post “properly”
. You admitted you agreed with me that RT fan rankings lacked credibility for obvious reasons, yet you still used their very biased fan rankings as a barometer of DSC’s popularity. When it comes to DSC, and so many other things, RT just isn’t a credible site for fan voting. Why did you bring them up?My point is that despite your attempt to frame DSC’s Emmy noms as a negative, unlike other sci-fi shows, particularly recent ones, at least the Emmys don’t completely ignore DSC. Some recognition is better than none.
Both WandaVsion and Mando are great shows, but this goes to my point about the long tortured relationship between Emmy and Trek. Star Trek TV shows have a 50+ year history of being disrespected by the Television Academy. The MCU has no such history on TV. They completely ignored nomination worthy TNG episodes like The Inner Light, The Drumhead, Darmock. Not saying DSC has had comparable episodes in it’s 3 seasons, but if it does , the writing, directing, acting, are still likely to be ignored by the Emmys.
I very much do and so might you if you watched with a bit of objectivity.
I did read your post “properly”
Please don't put words in my mouth and misinterpret what I said. I never suggested RT "lacked credibility". We were talking about the show's popularity with the fans, and that the RT audience score is a decent barometer of that. In term of professional critique, the Emmys are more credible.
I adore The Last Jedi and appreciate it's 90% RT critics score, but I would never call it a "popular" film, the audience score reflects that.
Ok, well done Discovery for getting the same nominations as Voyager and Enterprise.
I very much do and so might you if you watched with a bit of objectivity.
Sorry? I watch with plenty of objectivity, you've no idea if I do or don't. I hate the modern trend of sh*tting on everything and like to see the best in everything. That said, I just can't agree Discovery is a well made show. Season 2 started strongly, but fell off a cliff. Season 3 took until the second episode to have me rolling my eyes, around the time a critically injured Stamets was put in charge of saving the ship for some reason. I can't stand the characters, the visuals are messy and the writing is appalling. The premise of season 3 is at least interesting, this "Burn" sounds intriguing, I'll keep watching and looking forward to seeing where it goes, but yeah.
Personally I thought The Last Jedi was a horrendously bad film. And I'm not talking about the nonsense 'woke/SJW/Mary-Sue' criticisms that were thrown at it. It's just a mess thematically, tonally and structurally and I couldn't agree with you that it's a well made movie.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Using DSC being woke and SJW, as though that was a negative, is much of what still undergirds negativity about DSC. This is the reason I took issue with you presenting the fan rankings at RT as though they had any credibility. They do not.
People who hated that DSC featured minorities, women in positions of power, LGBTQ representation, etc, go to RT specifically to down vote DSC because they don’t like those things.They did the same thing to Lqsr Jedi . But, an additional problem for DSC was that it reveled init’s diversity and wokeness, as well they should, which REALLY pissed the RT crowd off. .
For many years the Emmys were considered by critics to be too much of a barometer of what is popular, since many thought only the popular shows were recognized. But, it seems they’ve made a concerted effort to change that, but there is still.a belief that popular shows, no matter the type of nomination, have an edge.
Ah, so it is a big popularity contest for the cool kids.
No wonder I hate it.
No wonder I hate it.
Also studios probably bribe the right people to make their show win or get nominated. Plus they love it when movie stars do tv and they can nominate them to make the show feel a little more like the Oscars. Just look at Don Cheadle getting a nod basically for a cameo. That doesn't happen if he wasn't considered a movie star.
Good for it. It's a visually beautiful episode.
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