It's interesting that you can see "the outside of the dome" in this shot (in the picture's two upper corners).
edit- Though, maybe that's an illusion, as per further discussion.
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Is the bridge at a funny angle?
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edit- Though, maybe that's an illusion, as per further discussion.
It's how Khan kept them stuck.
I'm assuming that these are the tops of the wedges, seen from above (the red line is normally the tallest bit seen from the floor). What I find impressive is that someone went to trouble of painting them the same colour as the rest of the set!
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x16hd/thegalileosevenhd003.jpg
I think we're seeing the inside of the dome, as also seen here:
https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x05hd/isthereintruthnobeautyhd0612.jpg
That would make a lot more sense than my suggestion!
(I was misremembering where the red line was)
OK, I can see that that may be the case.
It seems that I fell victim to one of those convex vs concave illusions. But at least I apparently wasn't the only one who did.
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I’m leaning towards briefing room.
Nah. There are two Auxiliary Control Rooms...one in the saucer (deck 8, single door) and another one in the secondary hull (double door). <ducks under desk>
I thought it was the area under the Emergency manual monitor, next to Kirk quarters.
Based on the visual evidence, they are pretty high.
It seems that the cap seen in WNMHGB was removed for the crane shot in “The Galileo Seven,” but either way…
…cathedral ceilings usually mean a higher resale value.
They actually might be "cheating" the ceiling taller to avoid a special effect. In the shot from "Is there, in Truth, No Beauty," you see a red line, then grey domed segments, but then another seam line that goes to the top of the shot. I have thought that the domes segments immediately above the red line are meant to be the true top of the room...then the grey area after the second seam line is the actual top of the ship's hull, that in TNG would be a window, and on the model is the lit domed feature. That makes the bridge ceiling height lower and fits the shape of the model better.
Of course if the bridge can rotate, all of this is fixed
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It was there but only in 2 episodes - for I Mudd and By Any Other Name it was filmed from the right and got set up in the "wild" area next to Kirk's quarters which you mentioned:
The rest of the time it was set up elsewhere, possibly near to the Briefing Room as per Matt Jefferies's foam-core model of the studio:
They actually might be "cheating" the ceiling taller to avoid a special effect. In the shot from "Is there, in Truth, No Beauty," you see a red line, then grey domed segments, but then another seam line that goes to the top of the shot. I have thought that the domes segments immediately above the red line are meant to be the true top of the room...then the grey area after the second seam line is the actual top of the ship's hull, that in TNG would be a window, and on the model is the lit domed feature. That makes the bridge ceiling height lower and fits the shape of the model better.[/QUOTE]As far as I know you are correct in that for WNMHGB and ITITNB some small vertical extension panels were added above the standard set wedges. Under normal circumstances the top of the Bridge wedges looked like this:
That's not the real Enterprise. Obviously, it's the fake Enterprise from The Mark of Gideon. Kirk must have been really out of it not to notice the ceilings...Under normal circumstances the top of the Bridge wedges looked like this:
Not TOS, but this is the TMP bridge ceiling.
And because of this photo I realized that while the bridge panels were all replaced due to TNG, the bridge structure remained (or was recreated) for the other segments. STV has those same rectangular openings as lights around the perimeter (where on TMP-STIV they had an insert with 2 lights).
And because of this photo I realized that while the bridge panels were all replaced due to TNG, the bridge structure remained (or was recreated) for the other segments. STV has those same rectangular openings as lights around the perimeter (where on TMP-STIV they had an insert with 2 lights).
As far as I know you are correct in that for WNMHGB and ITITNB some small vertical extension panels were added above the standard set wedges. Under normal circumstances the top of the Bridge wedges looked like this:It was there but only in 2 episodes - for I Mudd and By Any Other Name it was filmed from the right and got set up in the "wild" area next to Kirk's quarters which you mentioned:
The rest of the time it was set up elsewhere, possibly near to the Briefing Room as per Matt Jefferies's foam-core model of the studio:
They actually might be "cheating" the ceiling taller to avoid a special effect. In the shot from "Is there, in Truth, No Beauty," you see a red line, then grey domed segments, but then another seam line that goes to the top of the shot. I have thought that the domes segments immediately above the red line are meant to be the true top of the room...then the grey area after the second seam line is the actual top of the ship's hull, that in TNG would be a window, and on the model is the lit domed feature. That makes the bridge ceiling height lower and fits the shape of the model better.
When I referred to the area under the Emergency Manual Monitor, I meant I thought this was the location of the Environmental area shown in "Wink of an Eye." It even makes sense for it to be there (under the Emergency Manual Monitor) on the real ship, since the yellow ladder is labeled for environmental engineering and Chekov calls the Emergency Manual Monitor "Life Support" while onboard the Defiant NCC-1764.
The photos of the Bridge are great. In my mind, the area the lights are sticking down from would be the actual lit dome (or window if some prefer) that is seen on the model. I think that the communications device that shoots at them in "Beyond the Farthest Star" might be hanging from that dome (which appears black in that episode but I think could be translucent at other times), but I have never seen TOS as having a closed ceiling like TMP. I feel that the dome should be see-though at least part of the time in some way, though maybe not in the obvious way the effect in "The Cage" makes it appear.
The new Design book has this to say...
Matt Jefferies apparently saw it at an intermediate angle as well, just like my dome scene analysis showed.
Source:
https://www.thetrekcollective.com/2021/07/non-fiction-books-covers-and-previews.html
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yipv13yYMcw/YQFU5aAFHSI/AAAAAAABKao/WT0H9XV6RjIhAE1J9jVXrJI64DWliHRTACPcBGAsYHg/s1600/Insight+Editions+Weldon+Owen+Star+Trek+Designing+the+Final+Frontier+pages+14-15.jpg
Matt Jefferies apparently saw it at an intermediate angle as well, just like my dome scene analysis showed.
Source:
https://www.thetrekcollective.com/2021/07/non-fiction-books-covers-and-previews.html
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yipv13yYMcw/YQFU5aAFHSI/AAAAAAABKao/WT0H9XV6RjIhAE1J9jVXrJI64DWliHRTACPcBGAsYHg/s1600/Insight+Editions+Weldon+Owen+Star+Trek+Designing+the+Final+Frontier+pages+14-15.jpg
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I don't think so - we never see him in "Life Support." He calls from engineering and says:
Just like what I found in life support. All dead.
Meaning, to me, that he had already been in life support and called in his findings from there.
That's a pretty crappy-ass scan of the diagram from The Making of Star Trek (or rather, more likely, the original), that @Maurice posted and that we discussed many pages ago upthread.The new Design book has this to say...
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Here's an idea: maybe the exterior of the bridge and the interior of the bridge exist in alternate universes... 
Or at least alternate dimensions...TARDIS style!Here's an idea: maybe the exterior of the bridge and the interior of the bridge exist in alternate universes...
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