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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Caretaker said:
So Nerdist is reporting confirmation that J.K. Simmons will be Commissioner Gordon in Batgirl. So the film won't be part of The Batman continuity.
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...since he was Gordon in Justice League, its another chapter in the main DCEU group of films.. Promising.
 
Caretaker said:
So Nerdist is reporting confirmation that J.K. Simmons will be Commissioner Gordon in Batgirl. So the film won't be part of The Batman continuity.

Update: The Hollywood Reporter says talks are ongoing with J.K. Simmons but also says he had a three-film contract.
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Not what I expected, but I've been wanting to see more of J.K. Simmons take on Gordon, so I'm happy to hear we'll finally be seeing more of him.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
...since he was Gordon in Justice League, its another chapter in the main DCEU group of films.. Promising.
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Not necessarily. They might have just liked him in the role, so they're casting him again, just like how he's J. Jonah Jameson in two different Spider-Man franchises. Plus the Flash/Flashpoint movie will definitely come out before a potential Batgirl, and all signs point to that resetting the parts of the DC movie universe that WB doesn't want to use anymore (aka the Snyder stuff), but leaving the Shazam/Black Adam, Aquaman, The Suicide Squad/Harley Quinn and probably Wonder Woman related projects intact.

WB has literally said that they're done with the Snyderverse/DCEU as it was, so Simmons being in Batgirl doesn't mean anything. The Batgirl movie he's in could (and probably will) involve a version of the Batman mythos/Gotham City that doesn't resemble Snyder's at all, unless its a spinoff of the edgelord Matt Reeves Batman film, I guess.

Regardless, Simmons potential casting in a Batgirl film means nothing for the DCEU. The Snyderverse is explicitly dead based on statements from WB themselves, and after The Flash movie the Snyder influenced bits won't be relevant to really anything, except maybe as vague references to backstory in Aquaman 2 or potential Wonder Woman 3 that probably won't even match up with what happened in films like BvS or Justice League.
 
DigificWriter said:
No, they haven't.
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No, not to the degree kirk55555 is claiming. The Flash movie only exists due to plot elements introduced during Snyder's run, Affleck appearing n the Flash movie (which is significant), Simmons will be in Batgirl, and main characters introduced in earlier films--Wonder Woman and Aquaman--are not being rebooted. Its the same film universe, but some seem to play this go-nowhere game of "Is all separate". If that's how they choose to waste their time, so be it.
 
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TREK_GOD_1 said:
No, not to the degree kirk55555 is claiming. The Flash movie only exists due to plot elements introduced during Snyder's run, with Affleck is in the Flash movie (which is significant), Simmons will be in Batgirl, and main characters introduced in earlier films--Wonder Woman and Aquaman--are not being rebooted. Its the same film universe, but some seem to play this go-nowhere game of "Is all separate". If that's how they choose to waste their time, so be it.
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Well, MoS, BvS, and JL definitely won't be canon after The Flash, and outside of Matt Reeves terrible Batman movie we're done with grimdark bullshit being the main DC film style, but some Snyder stans will never admit that their stuff is as dead as the Dodo. Even the Reeves Batman film isn't the same type of grimdark as Snyder, although it will probably be as bad as the Snyder films, just in its own way.

Snyder and his fans lost, you don't have to like it, but you do have to accept that it happened and move on. The lengths that Snyder stans will go to pretend that his stuff wasn't soundly rejected by most people and then ejected by WB executives for being unpopular (and not profitable enough) is ridiculous.
 
kirk55555 said:
Well, MoS, BvS, and JL definitely won't be canon after The Flash, and outside of Matt Reeves terrible Batman movie we're done with grimdark bullshit being the main DC film style, but some Snyder stans will never admit that their stuff is as dead as the Dodo. Even the Reeves Batman film isn't the same type of grimdark as Snyder, although it will probably be as bad as the Snyder films, just in its own way.

Snyder and his fans lost, you don't have to like it, but you do have to accept that it happened and move on. The lengths that Snyder stans will go to pretend that his stuff wasn't soundly rejected by most people and then ejected by WB executives for being unpopular (and not profitable enough) is ridiculous.
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Yawn.
 
After Flashpoint, EVERYTHING will be "canon" (really, everything will be part of meta-continuity, but why quibble? ;) ).

Those who like Snyder's work (and its ancillaries) and those who don't will be equally served. Future storytellers can mix, match, ignore, or some combination thereof, to their hearts' content. Once the concept of a multiverse is established (and like it or not, the CW Crisis crossover, certainly did that), then this "debate" becomes meaningless. Hence the "yawn" whenever anyone starts going on about "canon" in DC productions (or, really, in any other franchise).
 
Ovation said:
Once the concept of a multiverse is established (and like it or not, the CW Crisis crossover, certainly did that)
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Absolutely right, though I recall some nigh-hysterical claims to the contrary at the time. ("It's just a stunt cameo! Doesn't mean anything! Nothing to see here!")
 
The Realist said:
Absolutely right, though I recall some nigh-hysterical claims to the contrary at the time. ("It's just a stunt cameo! Doesn't mean anything! Nothing to see here!")
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Perhaps. But not from me.

I quite like the idea of J.K. Simmons as Gordon. His brief work as the character so far was great (immediately "felt right") and I look forward to more. Really don't care either way if he's the same Gordon or a "doppelgänger"--I care much more about performances than "how does it all fit together". In fact, as time goes by, I find myself increasingly weighing performance first in everything I watch. I think it allows me to enjoy many things that others are quick to dismiss with "bad story", "bad writing", etc., across franchises as well as more independent stuff. It's not that I don't care at all about story and writing, it's more that I can overlook flaws there if the performances are good enough. If necessary, I can don the "critic's cap" (especially when it comes to any filmed material I use in my classes), but when it comes to my personal entertainment time, I increasingly ditch the "critic's cap" as soon as I've had a large enough sample of the performances on display (theatre, film, TV, etc.). Certainly keeps the fun quotient much higher than it used to. I've got enough things in life that make me grouchy--escapist fare isn't really one of them.
 
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