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That 1963 Flip-Top Flip-Phone... FACT TREK

Maurice

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The above image started floating around social media in May. That article, from April 1963, dates from almost eleven months prior to when Gene Roddenberry pitched Star Trek to Oscar Katz at Desilu.

Yes, it's authentic. We did our own research—as did Snopes—and that's a genuine article.

We were immediately struck by how much that pre-Trek pocket flip-phone concept resembled the first version of the communicators seen in the two pilots. It's about the same size, tapers towards the bottom, and has that distinctive flip-top. More than a tad coincidental.

So we dug around a lot trying to find more about it, as yet to no avail. Our suspicion is it was a concept out of Bell Laboratories that was put on display by this regional Bell subsidiary. But as we were (and still are) digging around through old trade magazines and industry reports to see if we can find more about this device, we ended up deep in the weeds about the mythology we'd already looked into around Star Trek supposedly inspiring various communications technologies and if the truth might actually be the inverse.

In fact, as @alchemist reminded us, there's a really blatant telecom design swipe...er, inspiration in the 1st pilot.

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Anyway, much more on our blog, under our new piece titled Flip-Top Flip-Flop (link). We're not promoting it until tomorrow, but I thought I'd give the peeps here a sneak peek at it.
 
Now I always thought the elliptical screen was a car’s side mirror…put on a lamp stalk to look like Ma Bell’s contraption

POPULAR ELECTRONICS go that far back?

Try talking to some HAM guys…
 
Now I always thought the elliptical screen was a car’s side mirror…put on a lamp stalk to look like Ma Bell’s contraption

POPULAR ELECTRONICS go that far back?

Try talking to some HAM guys…
Never seen an auto side mirror quite like that. And I looked. Also, the one in that closeup looks gouged like it's made of something less durable than metal.

Yes, Pop'tronics goes back to 1954. Here's the issue from the same month as that news item (link).

HAM guys? Who were HAMming in 1963? How many of those sept–octogenarians are we gonna find on the internet? And how many of them are gonna remember seeing some never-released flip-phone concept? :D
 
You never know. My guess is that they may have their own bridges back…ties to telephony.
“My Dad used to work for…” That kind of thing.

I remember an obit for a man who swore that properly modulated, AM was better than FM. So many stories go untold. The VFW might have someone who worked on the thing.
 
What fantastic things to examine here, and in the case of the communicator something critical to the core look of Star Trek.

Something I'm curious about is why the goose neck viewers were gotten rid of for the series.
 
There were too many…they cluttered things up. Now in an office setting, where it was last used, or quarters…it works. You have larger screens on the bridge anyway.

Now if they had just one hanging down from some turbo lift? Now I didn’t mind the BoP periscope, but it should have been angular.
 
Just to clarify, I was asking about statements from people working on the show regarding why the goose neck thingies got eliminated.

Yes, but here are my guesses:
• They were fragile, and the way they stuck out, they were begging to get damaged at every turn.
• They served no necessary purpose.
• Worst of all, by 1966 they were already starting to look old-fashioned and fussy.

Look at Kirk activate his in the Captain's chair at the end of WNMHGB. He has to crane his wrist. The ergonomics are so awkward, it makes the hooded viewer look good.
 
Yes, but here are my guesses:
• They were fragile, and the way they stuck out, they were begging to get damaged at every turn.
• They served no necessary purpose.
• Worst of all, by 1966 they were already starting to look old-fashioned and fussy.
They had also replaced the goosenecks with the larger, desktop viewers in the rest of the ship and possibly thought the two didn't match aesthetically.
 
They didn't.
But, yeah, I usually would like answers with citations rather than guesses or plausibility, myself.
 
Yes, but here are my guesses:
• They were fragile, and the way they stuck out, they were begging to get damaged at every turn.
• They served no necessary purpose.
• Worst of all, by 1966 they were already starting to look old-fashioned and fussy.

Additionally: Having a screen on them, means adding a superimposed image of the person you're talking to in the special effects in almost every shot. Compare that effects budget to "Push a button on the intercom and talk."
 
Additionally: Having a screen on them, means adding a superimposed image of the person you're talking to in the special effects in almost every shot. Compare that effects budget to "Push a button on the intercom and talk."
No specific documentation on the matter of the gooseneck "television communicators" that I've seen, but after the first pilot there were some memos about how they could improve things for the series, and one note there was to looking how to pare down special effects to a minimum, so, ultimately, getting rid of these picturephones probably was a no-brainer.

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Irwin Allen was using "video phones" on Voyage for two years before Star Trek premiered, so I would imagine someone balked at the idea of using the same tech on a show taking place centuries later. Voyage's units looked like the screen that happy girl up top was using.
 
I just realized a problem that the goosenecks might have had. Since they're flexible, they would have created an extra problem in maintaining continuity. The bridge set as it was didn't really have much of anything that was loose. The chairs, but that was bog standard. The occasional coffee cups. But generally, there no movable objects atop the stations.
 
Irwin Allen was using "video phones" on Voyage for two years before Star Trek premiered, so I would imagine someone balked at the idea of using the same tech on a show taking place centuries later.

I profoundly doubt that mattered to them. Video phones/intercoms had been a staple of science fiction for decades -- as far back as Metropolis in 1927, making it even older than talkies:

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Also Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times in 1936:

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Indeed, there were real video phones in 1936, a German trial service that fell by the wayside due to WWII.

So nobody would've thought Irwin Allen had any claim on such a well-established concept. The reason Trek dropped the video intercoms is exactly what people have already said it was: because optical effects were expensive.
 
So nobody would've thought Irwin Allen had any claim on such a well-established concept. The reason Trek dropped the video intercoms is exactly what people have already said it was: because optical effects were expensive.

Did I say Irwin made it up? I said he was using the tech extensively. The Star Trek people were well aware of what Irwin Allen was doing and actively steered away from his style of program, which was using the same type of communication in a series that was close to then-present day. Who's to say it wasn't part pf the reasoning? It's all conjecture because none of us were there.
 
Stylistically, or budgetary, there are plenty of reasons why the gooseneck viewers were discontinued.
No need to get hot about it. It doesn't have to be one reason or the other. It was almost certainly a combination of factors, and trying to figure out which is a dominant reason is pointless.

Personally, I think it's disappointing that they discontinued them, because while I can see the reasons for it, I liked 'em and thought they were neat.
 
Who's to say it wasn't part pf the reasoning? It's all conjecture because none of us were there.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. We should always try to disprove our conjectures and only accept them if they resist disproof. If all you have is conjecture, that's reason to doubt the hypothesis, not assume it's true.

In this case, it's just improbable that such a generic, widely used SF technology would be seen as something to avoid because of just one recent use of it. I mean, they didn't avoid space travel or ray guns because Lost in Space used them, so why would they avoid something as ordinary as videophones because Voyage used them? It doesn't make any sense.

You have to put these things in context. Everything looks like a pattern if you narrow your focus so much that you only see the parts you want. Which is why skepticism is so important.
 
Irwin Allen was using "video phones" on Voyage for two years before Star Trek premiered, so I would imagine someone balked at the idea of using the same tech on a show taking place centuries later. Voyage's units looked like the screen that happy girl up top was using.

Did I say Irwin made it up? I said he was using the tech extensively. The Star Trek people were well aware of what Irwin Allen was doing and actively steered away from his style of program, which was using the same type of communication in a series that was close to then-present day. Who's to say it wasn't part pf the reasoning? It's all conjecture because none of us were there.

Your rational point--which someone else missed like a blind man participating in a sharpshooting contest--was that VTTBOTS, a popular sci-fi TV series pre-dating TOS, already had viewers of a similar design aboard the Seaview (notably in Admiral Nelson's room), so TOS could have been inspired to lose the goosenecked viewers post-pilots to keep developing their unique designs. Again it is a rational theory which was very easy to comprehend....for some members.
 
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The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. We should always try to disprove our conjectures and only accept them if they resist disproof. If all you have is conjecture, that's reason to doubt the hypothesis, not assume it's true.

In this case, it's just improbable that such a generic, widely used SF technology would be seen as something to avoid because of just one recent use of it. I mean, they didn't avoid space travel or ray guns because Lost in Space used them, so why would they avoid something as ordinary as videophones because Voyage used them? It doesn't make any sense.

You have to put these things in context. Everything looks like a pattern if you narrow your focus so much that you only see the parts you want. Which is why skepticism is so important.

Okay, first: there is no “burden of proof.” I’m not making a claim or arguing a case. I am posing an idea, a suggestion, a possibility. If you want to keep it in legal terms, I am introducing a possibility to the jury. When an attorneys says “isn’t it possible the accused was sleepwalking when he stabbed his wife” he’s not presenting a fact requiring proof, he’s giving the jury something to deliberate. Reasonable doubt.

Nothing I said requires citing.

Second: I’m gonna be 54 in a few months. I didn't ask or need to be schooled on the history of science fiction visual media. While I didn’t watch more than one Charlie Chaplin film (not my thing), I have seen Metropolis, Things to Come, the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers serials, all of the Universal monster films and hundreds of other SF movies and episodes in the last 5 decades. I am WELL AWARE that Irwin Allen Productions didn’t invent the concept of the video phone in 1964, just as I am well aware that Norway Productions didn’t invent the concept of the flip phone. I never suggested that they did. Re-read my posts. Your responses are the equivalent of mansplaining. Uncool. Don’t assume you’re the only one who knows stuff.

Space travel is one thing, but when you're creating a universe that is meant to take place centuries after the 20th and a contemporary show which takes place in the 70's - a series that you are well aware of - is using similar technology, it is possible you think "maybe I don't want to use something so close." Maybe they wanted to be more unique. If they can be inspired by much older films to create their tech they can be just as aware of a CONTEMPORARY show to guide their choices on how to implement them - or not implement. So yeah it makes sense. Just because you don't think it's possible doesn't mean it ain't.

You're answer could simply have been, "meh, it's possible I guess but I doubt it." That's it.

Contrary to what a few folks like to believe, this is not a scholarly website on the history of Star Trek. It’s a discussion board where I like talk about my favorite series, have fun and maybe pick up some things I didn't know from people who do the research. I wish people would stop opening the airlock and blowing the fun out of the room.
 
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