The Glaring Plot Hole of TWOK
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Using Khan as a reliable source does seem inadvisable. Even if we assume he's accurately reporting his observations, which could be questionable due to his mental state, they are only his observations.
Most of the "plot holes" raised here can be rationalized in my opinion, though some of them more weakly than others.
In the end I enjoy the film despite the plot holes, which likely makes me less intereted in scrutinizing them too closely.
Most of the "plot holes" raised here can be rationalized in my opinion, though some of them more weakly than others.
In the end I enjoy the film despite the plot holes, which likely makes me less intereted in scrutinizing them too closely.
During its formative years, the Earth has been hit by many big ass asteroids, the biggest one, almost as big as a planet, splashed magma around the planet that coalesced into the moon. It never caused the planet to explode through and it won't because even now, Earth is mostly liquid with a thin solid crust. A big asteroid would cause all life to die and the planet to be forever uninhabitable but the planet wouldn't explode. It would remain whole with maybe one more moon-like satellite.
The laws of physic are the same everywhere. All telluric planets of similar size are pretty much all the same, mostly liquid with a thin crust. Once a crust is formed it prevents the heat from inside the planet to leak into space, if it didn't we'd be cooked!! I imagine that below your feet there's ultra-hot magma!! Hotter than liquid metal!! And yet you feel nothing. That's because the heat is contained.
The only alternative is a gas giant... And that's even more unlikely to explode. How do you make a giant ball of gas explode?
Yes, IMO, that's the only remaining possibility or something involving subspace, since it only exists in fiction then you can make it cause anything.
Try that with Jupiter...
They were all in town for Kirk's birthday, and decided it would be fun to participate in the KM?...
I thought it was pretty clear that the Enterprise was a training vessel at this particular point in its life, and the command crew, including Captain Spock, were tasked with supervision of a particular batch of Starfleet cadets, one of whom was Saavik.
It makes sense that if the KM was a final simulation on a ramp-up to an actual in-space cruise, the Enterprise command crew was there to participate.
I guess?
It makes sense that if the KM was a final simulation on a ramp-up to an actual in-space cruise, the Enterprise command crew was there to participate.
I guess?
Fifty times?
There are cadets all over the bridge in the KM. All of them are seen again as the Enterprise leaves Spacedock, and are there until Khan attacks, when some of them get replaced. Once Chekov is aboard, he replaces the guy at tactical. It isn't that difficult to assume that all of the cadets are being tested, or are at least there to make Saavik's test that much more real to her. Remember, Spock says "Trainees, to the briefing room." That means there's more than one.
And that quote made him sound suspiciously like Adam West.
And that quote made him sound suspiciously like Adam West.
IMO, the only way to explain the orbital mechanics, at least in broad strokes, is to postulate that Ceti Alpha V and VI were similar bodies in a co-orbital configuration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-orbital_configuration
When Ceti Alpha VI was destroyed, and its debris field spread out, that would have shifted the orbit of the co-orbital companion.
One might explain the reason why Reliant jumped to the wrong conclusion about which body still remained by postulating the existence of another gravitating body unobserved by Reliant, such as an interstellar rogue body that came into the Ceti Alpha system, did the damage, and headed back out again years before Reliant came on the scene. This unknown body was responsible for putting the surviving planet and the other's debris field in positions that, in the absence of knowledge of the cause, made it seem more likely that Ceti Alpha V had been the one destroyed. That, coupled with the change in the atmosphere, that made conditions on Ceti Alpha V resemble those that had been on Ceti Alpha VI, sealed the deal.
What can't be excused though is the lack of due diligence. Upon concluding that one member of the system has been destroyed, especially when the one assumed destroyed had been in a co-orbital configuration such as a horseshoe configuration with one of the other members assumed to be still surviving, the possibility of a transposition would have been recognized as realistic. They should have nailed down the cause of the destruction of the system body before continuing with the mission there, because it was known the Ceti Alpha V was habitable, even if records of the "Space Seed" mission were a Starfleet secret, and they were supposed to be avoiding habitable planets.
It also would have worked a whole lot better, if Chekov hadn't been on the Enterprise back then during "Space Seed."*
* - Back before, like Sulu, he moved up to the bridge from mathematics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-orbital_configuration
When Ceti Alpha VI was destroyed, and its debris field spread out, that would have shifted the orbit of the co-orbital companion.
One might explain the reason why Reliant jumped to the wrong conclusion about which body still remained by postulating the existence of another gravitating body unobserved by Reliant, such as an interstellar rogue body that came into the Ceti Alpha system, did the damage, and headed back out again years before Reliant came on the scene. This unknown body was responsible for putting the surviving planet and the other's debris field in positions that, in the absence of knowledge of the cause, made it seem more likely that Ceti Alpha V had been the one destroyed. That, coupled with the change in the atmosphere, that made conditions on Ceti Alpha V resemble those that had been on Ceti Alpha VI, sealed the deal.
What can't be excused though is the lack of due diligence. Upon concluding that one member of the system has been destroyed, especially when the one assumed destroyed had been in a co-orbital configuration such as a horseshoe configuration with one of the other members assumed to be still surviving, the possibility of a transposition would have been recognized as realistic. They should have nailed down the cause of the destruction of the system body before continuing with the mission there, because it was known the Ceti Alpha V was habitable, even if records of the "Space Seed" mission were a Starfleet secret, and they were supposed to be avoiding habitable planets.
It also would have worked a whole lot better, if Chekov hadn't been on the Enterprise back then during "Space Seed."*
* - Back before, like Sulu, he moved up to the bridge from mathematics.
I’m not sure I understand.
The Kobayashi Maru only tests one person at a time but it requires a full bridge crew, each time. You have to run it as many times as there are people to test and more if some take the test two times (or three times like Kirk did).
Everyone forgets this line:
BONES: Admiral, wouldn't it be easier to put an experienced crew back on the ship?
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