I dunno. The story sense is of a chosen-one romance narrative. Which is funny, when you think about it. I am wondering how fast they can make them if they do get their wish, because Jason Momoa is gonna have to carry what… twelve films? As lead?
Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)
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I dunno. The story sense is of a chosen-one romance narrative. Which is funny, when you think about it. I am wondering how fast they can make them if they do get their wish, because Jason Momoa is gonna have to carry what… twelve films? As lead?
How would a vision look?
Usually there is a wavy effect right before you go in to the vision. Also there is a soft focus, with haze around the edges. Usually the person having the vision bolts upright and looks around to make sure they are out of the vision.
Yes, but at no point is that used in this trailer, aside from Pail waking up. His face at the end of the battle sequence is similar.
It’s possible it has these things in the film. It looks like a partially unfinished FX stunt shot, and Paul does dream of the coming Jihad and stuff doesn’t he? Could be a snippet due to be used in the water of life sequence.
Lol what? We have no idea how Villeneuve has chosen to represent Paul's visions. Or how that might change as his exposure to spice increases/he ingests the water of life. We've seen clips of what looks to be him seeing Chani at the very beginning of the movie without any spice exposure. That's it, besides this clip of him with blue in blue eyes killing soldiers.
Paul's visions become so clear he literally can see just as well (of not better) without eyes as with them.
But the point of that is that he is powerless to change events and still see. Because it means the future is written, otherwise his visions are useless. It’s why he has to go into the desert, because otherwise he is literally making events happen by witnessing them before they do, and he doesn’t like what is to come.
He sees everything, into the past, that’s the tragedy. (Though, Alia has the same problem, and she stays… which is kind of the point.)
I would not assume that they will use those type of visual cues at all in the film. Paul's vision are starkly real, to the point that he that even when he tries to change it the sense of inevitability of them coming true is overwhelming.
As for trailer itself, I'll give my overall breakdown now: One, it does what trailers are to do which is get me intrigued and talking about the film. I think it will be hit and miss with general audiences because I know the overall events from the book and I know that it isn't as much action as the trailer portrayed. So, that will be curious to see how it plays out. But, even reading YouTube comments there are many going "I hope there is less action."
The discussion of "extermination" is a big framing device, which is probably the most interesting hook of the trailer, both the Fremen resentment of the Harkonnen (who are barely in the trailer) and Paul's comment on the attack.
Overall, I am less interested in the characters thus far, and more wanting to see the worlds of Dune as interpreted in this version. I am really interested in seeing more of the Harkonnen and the Atredies designs.
It cuts down on roles and lines, but if anything it makes the gender flip more difficult… Kynes married the leader of Sietch Tabr? That kind of takes away from the kind of quasi-colonial ‘gone native’ thing the character was in some ways a reaction to (or continuation of) in the book. Should have kept Kyne’s spouse as a separate character. It speeds up the narrative I suppose though. And I suppose Stilgar becomes another of Paul’s father figures, so making him his father-in-law isn’t too big a stretch.
That's a totally different discussion. I was replying to someone claiming "It can't be a vision because the picture isn't wavy, hazy, and a soft focus". We have no idea how Villeneuve has chosen to show Paul's visions, and if it changes as he grows more powerful.
Fair enough. I think there will be visual signifiers though. He used them for the memory sequences in 2049. Though they weren’t heavy handed.
(At this point I could make a joke about them desaturating for them, or using unreal colours, but in 21st century films, who would notice?)
Edit: forgot to mention it could just be trailer bait. It’s definitely unfinished.)
Trailer bait is definitely a possibility. But if it isn't it has to be a vision, since Paul's eyes are blue in blue and we know the movie ends before Paul has been with the Fremen that long.
(Not a spoiler, I haven't read the supposed leaked script, but we know the movie only covers half the book and ends shortly after Paul & Jessica join the Femen, Zendaya has said she's only in it briefly
y - my guess with the Water of Life ceremony with Jessica. I doubt they're gonna jump time before the end, especially with such a natural end point right there. Back when there was supposed to be a more direct sequel TV mini series it was supposed to cover the 2 ish year Guerilla War between movies)
Oh thank the Maker.
Yeah, I reckon that’s about right. End on Paul’s vision stream in the water and his eyes opening before banging to the end credits.
Why?
Not a fan of hers or just don't want them cramming too much in?
Obviously I have little to go on but she has not inspired much confidence in this role, either from the trailer or outside sources.
A little bit of both. Overall, she has not inspired me much or left me with a good impression thus far. Also, I am not a big fan of Chani in the story anyway.
I have to admit, Chani in my head is better than Chani in the books. They skip so much of her life. Helps that I really like Sean Young too.
I did actually write a short story prequel to Dune on a course I was on (It was one of those ‘writing back’ exercises where you basically write fan-fiction addressing flaws in an original work. Like Wide Sargasso Sea.) and it was Chani making the decision to be with Paul after she has a Spice vision too. I probably still have it somewhere if anyone fancies a read. It was basically me trying to address the lack of agency inherent in some of her character. (Though arguably, no one has any agency in the books. That’s the problem with all the prescience stuff.)
I don't think I've seen her in anything outside of Spider Man, which isn't exactly a showcase for acting talent. I'm impartial to her
. She has a lot of dedicated fans though.Chani is definitely not the most 3 dimensional character in the books. I'm hoping with the apparent expansion of her role (suggested by her being the opening narrator, her opening battle with Harkonnens) they plan on improving/expanding it somewhat in the (fingers crossed) sequel, like they supposedly did with Kynes in this one.
