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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

M'rk son of Mogh said:
But you're ignoring the 2nd part of what I described, needing that resonating personal attachment.
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I find that the best remedy for personal attachment is to think about people other than yourself. Keep in mind that diverse casting benefits nonwhite actors by letting them compete fairly for employment, and it benefits diverse audiences who finally get to see people like themselves as heroes.
 
kirk55555 said:
I wasn't aware of that, but fair enough. They might be a woman choking piece of shit, but I would have used proper pronouns if I was aware of them. I don't follow Miller very closely because of not liking them as an actor and the already mentioned abusive behavior, which is why I didn't know that about them until now. I'll keep it in mind when mentioning them in the future.
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I wasn't either until I looked them up after your last post, trying to see if I could figure out why you hate them so much.
Kor said:
I would like to see a live action cinematic depiction of the Cassandra Cain Batgirl.

Kor
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Well, we already got her in Birds of Prey, and we're about to get Barbara Gordon, so now all we need is for them to meet each other.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
But you're ignoring the 2nd part of what I described, needing that resonating personal attachment. What "I've" collected. Since that only applies to the specific books/characters I liked or followed, 99% of the rest don't personally matter to me. I'm sure it applies to most people in the same way. So personally (and I can only speak personally), all but maybe 2 characters (out of ALL of them) in that time frame could change up and I wouldn't give it a second thought. Those specific 2, I'd give it a second thought. But wouldn't necessarily go so far as to even complain about it out loud.
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I can see where you're coming from, but can you even think of an example of a comic book movie or television show where all the casting lined up with how you would envision the characters? I remember thinking that John Wesley Shipp didn't look like Barry Allen back in the day, and off the top of my head I think the cast that most closely resembled the physical appearance of their comic characters was Birds of Prey in the early 00s.
 
theenglish said:
off the top of my head I think the cast that most closely resembled the physical appearance of their comic characters was Birds of Prey in the early 00s.
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I'll give you Dina Meyer as Barbara Gordon, and Mia Sara was quite credible as an older, more high-functioning Harleen Quinzel. But Ashley Scott didn't look much like the comics' Huntress (and was badly miscast), and the 17-year-old Rachel Skarsten didn't look much like the Blonde Bombshell of the comics (although she wasn't actually playing Black Canary, but rather her daughter). Ian Abercrombie, meanwhile, was the best screen Alfred since Alan Napier, but didn't bear much resemblance to the comics' Alfred.

How about Superboy? Both John Haymes Newton and Gerard Christopher were pretty good matches for Clark Kent, and the latter bore an often uncanny resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Stacy Haiduk is the only redheaded Lana Lang we've had in live action television. And I'd say Sherman Howard bore a pretty good resemblance to the post-Crisis Lex Luthor. They also captured the look of Bizarro and Mr. Mxyzptlk pretty well, though Michael J. Pollard was a terrible casting choice for the latter. They definitely went in a different direction with Metallo, though, turning him into a middle-aged, washed-up gangster type.
 
Christopher said:
I'll give you Dina Meyer as Barbara Gordon, and Mia Sara was quite credible as an older, more high-functioning Harleen Quinzel. But Ashley Scott didn't look much like the comics' Huntress (and was badly miscast), and the 17-year-old Rachel Skarsten didn't look much like the Blonde Bombshell of the comics (although she wasn't actually playing Black Canary, but rather her daughter). Ian Abercrombie, meanwhile, was the best screen Alfred since Alan Napier, but didn't bear much resemblance to the comics' Alfred.

How about Superboy? Both John Haymes Newton and Gerard Christopher were pretty good matches for Clark Kent, and the latter bore an often uncanny resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Stacy Haiduk is the only redheaded Lana Lang we've had in live action television. And I'd say Sherman Howard bore a pretty good resemblance to the post-Crisis Lex Luthor. They also captured the look of Bizarro and Mr. Mxyzptlk pretty well, though Michael J. Pollard was a terrible casting choice for the latter. They definitely went in a different direction with Metallo, though, turning him into a middle-aged, washed-up gangster type.
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Lori Loughlin was the comics Black Canary though. Ashley Scott's appearance was fine, but the character itself was changed quite a bit.

As for Superboy, I cannot say anything about that series because I did not have American stations available to me when that show aired so I've never actually seen it.
 
Christopher said:
How about Superboy? Both John Haymes Newton and Gerard Christopher were pretty good matches for Clark Kent, and the latter bore an often uncanny resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Stacy Haiduk is the only redheaded Lana Lang we've had in live action television. And I'd say Sherman Howard bore a pretty good resemblance to the post-Crisis Lex Luthor. They also captured the look of Bizarro and Mr. Mxyzptlk pretty well
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theenglish said:
As for Superboy, I cannot say anything about that series because I did not have American stations available to me when that show aired so I've never actually seen it.
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All four seasons were released on DVD, which is how I saw it. (It's probably also streaming somewhere, if you despise all things decent and true.) It's not actually good -- the first season in particular is literally the most incompetent allegedly professional production I think I've ever seen -- but it's a low-rent delight, and does improve steadily as it goes along. Personally, I adore the series, though it's a cautious recommend if you can't embrace the glorious cheese of it all.
 
Christopher said:
The problem with "since forever," though, is that comics back then were required to be mostly or entirely white due to institutional racism. Some things don't deserve to be clung to. Some things from the past deserve to be actively renounced and improved on.

Nostalgia is a symptom of privilege. For most of humanity, the past sucked. I care more about building a better future.
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Wow.... such a narrow view you have. And completely misunderstanding his view. I mean, I am nostalgic to Challenge of the SUperfriends, which WAS diverse. But my 10 year old daughter was unimpressed by the episodes we watched, despite MY nostalgia to them.

And you say you WANT change, especially as the public's view on things have changed. We have told you time and again, that people in the MODERN age (and really, since the 70's) say Superman wears "Red underwear", but you insist that WE must call them trunks... though the whle logic and notion of them is from the FAR distant past, which most modern interpretations choose to dump.

kirk55555 said:
I wasn't aware of that, but fair enough. They might be a woman choking piece of shit, but I would have used proper pronouns if I was aware of them. I don't follow Miller very closely because of not liking them as an actor and the already mentioned abusive behavior, which is why I didn't know that about them until now. I'll keep it in mind when mentioning them in the future.
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Shhh... don't tell @TREK_GOD_1 ...he thinks Miller's Flash is the best live action ever (I don't agree, but can respect and understand the thought). He also HATES Joss WHedon , and uses HIS behavior as a major reason to hate him... but if he kept the same standards, then he'd have to hate Miller similarly.

M'rk son of Mogh said:
But you're ignoring the 2nd part of what I described, needing that resonating personal attachment. What "I've" collected. Since that only applies to the specific books/characters I liked or followed, 99% of the rest don't personally matter to me. I'm sure it applies to most people in the same way. So personally (and I can only speak personally), all but maybe 2 characters (out of ALL of them) in that time frame could change up and I wouldn't give it a second thought. Those specific 2, I'd give it a second thought. But wouldn't necessarily go so far as to even complain about it out loud.
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So could i throw out this example , and if you can think of it int he framework you are presenting... so if Superman's childhood friend Pete Ross, were changed to Pedro Roasrio, the child on unducmented immigrants (working ont he Kent Farm)... but still strongly loyal to Clark and protecting his identity... would you be OK with that change?

Christopher said:
I find that the best remedy for personal attachment is to think about people other than yourself. Keep in mind that diverse casting benefits nonwhite actors by letting them compete fairly for employment, and it benefits diverse audiences who finally get to see people like themselves as heroes.
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It is so ironic you say that, as you time and again fail to think about people other than yourself in responding to people's viewpoints. You failed to see where @M'rk son of Mogh was coming from
 
theenglish said:
Lori Loughlin was the comics Black Canary though.
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Hmm, more or less. Although she was named Carolyn Lance instead of Dinah Drake or Lance.


The Realist said:
All four seasons were released on DVD, which is how I saw it. (It's probably also streaming somewhere, if you despise all things decent and true.)
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Superboy was streaming on DC Universe back when I was a subscriber, which is how I was able to watch it for the review series currently running on my Patreon page. I don't know if it made the jump to HBO Max.


It's not actually good -- the first season in particular is literally the most incompetent allegedly professional production I think I've ever seen -- but it's a low-rent delight, and does improve steadily as it goes along. Personally, I adore the series, though it's a cautious recommend if you can't embrace the glorious cheese of it all.
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I agree where the first two seasons are concerned, mostly, but I differ strongly about the last two. Basically it's two separate shows -- the first two seasons under the title Superboy and the revamped seasons 3-4 under the title The Adventures of Superboy. Superboy season 1 started out incredibly terrible and incompetent, then improved when it signed actual Superman comics writer-editors onto its staff. Season 2 started out about as good as the latter half of season 1, but then deteriorated and became pretty weak in the latter half. But even at its best, it was a superficial, cheesy action show, fun and Silver Agey but not at all deep or thoughtful.

Yet I consider the latter two seasons, The Adventures of Superboy, to be the best live-action DC show of the 20th century, even better than its contemporary The Flash, which I liked a lot. It got a lot smarter and richer, the first TV series that ever really delved into the psychology of Clark Kent or Lex Luthor and examined their motivations and inner conflicts. It told stories that were actually about something rather than just being action or humor. It had a very tight budget and did a lot of bottle shows, but it made good use of the limited settings of bottle shows to do strong character stories. And it had a strong cast, especially Stacy Haiduk as Lana and Sherman Howard as Luthor.
 
^ I've gathered elsewhere that you think highly of the latter seasons (particularly "Mine Games"). They're certainly an improvement, but I personally don't think the show ever fully shakes off the cheese factor, and that's part of its charm to me. Definitely agree that Howard is great, and Haiduk makes me kinda hope this is the one Earth in the multiverse where Lana is endgame.
 
The Realist said:
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All four seasons were released on DVD, which is how I saw it. (It's probably also streaming somewhere, if you despise all things decent and true.) It's not actually good -- the first season in particular is literally the most incompetent allegedly professional production I think I've ever seen -- but it's a low-rent delight, and does improve steadily as it goes along. Personally, I adore the series, though it's a cautious recommend if you can't embrace the glorious cheese of it all.
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I love B-Movies and cheese when done right. I have a soft spot for Xena and Hercules from the nineties, for example.
 
The Realist said:
I personally don't think the show ever fully shakes off the cheese factor, and that's part of its charm to me.
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In terms of production values, sure, it remains low-budget, but in terms of the writing and the intelligence of the stories, the two halves of the series are profoundly different from one another. Even the biggest duds of seasons 3-4 would've been in the top ten of season 1 or 2.
 
Morpheus 02 said:
Wow.... such a narrow view you have. And completely misunderstanding his view.
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Quite common with that one.

And you say you WANT change,
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Some argue for change not for honest moral necessity, but for arrogant, self-aggrandizing, "I can speak for everyone" motives.

It is so ironic you say that, as you time and again fail to think about people other than yourself in responding to people's viewpoints. You failed to see where @M'rk son of Mogh was coming from
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True.
 
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