DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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From Wikipedia:
Miller stated that, for them, queer means "I don't identify as a man. I don't identify as a woman. I barely identify as a human."
I mean, that's just a great quote 
From Wikipedia:
Miller stated that, for them, queer means "I don't identify as a man. I don't identify as a woman. I barely identify as a human."I mean, that's just a great quote
That's beautiful!
Anybody seen In The Heights? Leslie Grace has been cast as Barbara Gordon in the HBO Max Batgirl movie.
I don't think I have seen her in anything yet. Unfortunately the reaction on social media to this is nothing but sickening. People taking ownership of race to argue a casting decision. Doesn't help also that Walter Hamada (DC films President) describe this and Static Shock as "risky" projects.
She was great in The Heights, but like said above, wouldn't have been at the front of my head for casting for this. She'll be fine and really own the role. She doesn't look like the comic version, but that's how it goes now.
Though I admit, I'm oldschool in my casting. I want things to match exactly what I've read. Was just talking to my brother about being excited for the upcoming Y: The Last Man, for example, and I want everything about 355 to be right, right down to the hair (and even progression of it as it goes). It's not about race, just look like my comics!! (With that said, I quickly get used to a change. Zendaya as MJ is awesome to me, for example. So complicated.)
Though I admit, I'm oldschool in my casting. I want things to match exactly what I've read. Was just talking to my brother about being excited for the upcoming Y: The Last Man, for example, and I want everything about 355 to be right, right down to the hair (and even progression of it as it goes). It's not about race, just look like my comics!! (With that said, I quickly get used to a change. Zendaya as MJ is awesome to me, for example. So complicated.)
It went that way in 1966 too. The comics' Batgirl really did have long red hair, but in the TV show it was a wig worn by the short-haired brunette Yvonne Craig. Also in the comics, Catwoman didn't look like Eartha Kitt, Robin was a pre-teen, Alfred didn't have a full head of white hair, Aunt Harriet didn't look or act a thing like Madge Blake, and the Joker didn't have a mustache.
Anyway, we don't know yet which continuity the Batgirl movie is in, but this casting suggests that she might be playing the daughter of Jeffrey Wright's Jim Gordon from The Batman and its spinoff TV series.
As a kid watching the reruns, that mustache bothered me to no end! Could not understand why this nobody actor (I had no idea haha) felt they didn't have to do that. But I probably watched that show before reading a Batman comic, so never knew there was an issue to have a problem with besides comparing to Superfriends (I don't recall Catwoman being part of the cartoon or toyline, for example).
At the end, it's just as much as personal familiarity as well. What you're exposed to first. Race/gender/anything swap any member of the Teen Titans, I've never read that book so I don't have that connection. Or even a side character/love interest that's not terribly important to me. But do that to a lead in something that I've collected since forever and I'm disappointed. It's totally not logical, but is what it is.
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The problem with "since forever," though, is that comics back then were required to be mostly or entirely white due to institutional racism. Some things don't deserve to be clung to. Some things from the past deserve to be actively renounced and improved on.
Nostalgia is a symptom of privilege. For most of humanity, the past sucked. I care more about building a better future.
I wasn't aware of that, but fair enough. They might be a woman choking piece of shit, but I would have used proper pronouns if I was aware of them. I don't follow Miller very closely because of not liking them as an actor and the already mentioned abusive behavior, which is why I didn't know that about them until now. I'll keep it in mind when mentioning them in the future.
Is this a general statement or is it only applying to looking fondly on white superheroes in the context of this conversation? Either way, I can't disagree more, especially if it's a general statement (privilege has nothing to do with nostalgia for your grandmother's soup, for example). Also, something I disagree with when using my Y: The Last Man example. I've been re-reading that multiple times for 20 years now, it's my favourite series, and I want every character in the upcoming FX series, from Mann, 355 and Yorick to match what I've known for decades. It won't, but there's nothing wrong itself with wanting this. It's what I've known over and over again with every re-read. That decades of "since forever" has nothing to do with institutional racism. I always found the series to be hugely progressive. It's just what's been burned into my brain.
Way to cherrypick one sentence and ignore every other point I made. Sheesh.
I responded to the whole bit, including your reference to institutional racism (if you read my whole post), just wanted to call out that one sentence that I REALLY disagreed with to start. "Sheesh".
Just out of curiosity, what is your frame of reference? Which years or what particular run?
I don't really get why it's not logical since it's a new take. It's not a movie of the comics that you read. It's a movie of that character which takes the essence of those comics to make a story for the 21st Century. I don't understand why it has to be a natural red head in order for it to be acceptable.
It depends on the book or character. For Batman, I'm only and off and on reader starting in the 90s, so, no real attachments to anyone other than the lead. Zero problems with the casting choice for Barbara. For someone like the Incredible Hulk, I started reading in the early 80s (same with Spider-Man) and am only missing 19 issues of his book. So I'd be very stubborn regarding a drastic change with Bruce.
No no, I meant my own reasoning isn't logical, sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I'm admitting that I'm not being rational. I fully admit, it's a stubborn and emotional "This looks like A over here, this should also look like A over there." kind of reaction.
The problem with that line of thinking though is that prior to the late sixties, there were no non-white super-heroes in major comics until the late sixties. Black Panther and Falcon were the first. For DC it was John Stewart in the early seventies. So you are saying that any character created between 1938 and 1965 has to be white?
But you're ignoring the 2nd part of what I described, needing that resonating personal attachment. What "I've" collected. Since that only applies to the specific books/characters I liked or followed, 99% of the rest don't personally matter to me. I'm sure it applies to most people in the same way. So personally (and I can only speak personally), all but maybe 2 characters (out of ALL of them) in that time frame could change up and I wouldn't give it a second thought. Those specific 2, I'd give it a second thought. But wouldn't necessarily go so far as to even complain about it out loud.