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Suspension of Disbelief vs. In-Universe Explanations

Well, what's nice in ENT is that they managed to kill two birds with one stone, tell an interesting story about the augments, Khan's cousins so to speak, and explain the change in Klingon's appearance. It's too bad that we didn't get a fifth season because we may have had an explanation for the Romulan war.
 
Well, what's nice in ENT is that they managed to kill two birds with one stone, tell an interesting story about the augments, Khan's cousins so to speak, and explain the change in Klingon's appearance. It's too bad that we didn't get a fifth season because we may have had an explanation for the Romulan war.
Well they nearly did a movie after ENT's cancellation. It was about Kirk's grandfather stealing a Daedalus-class ship and a nuclear weapon. The Romulan war opened in 2259 with a week-long battle in Earth orbit between Top Gun-style UESF fighter pilots (a new invention) and Romulan drone ships from ENT season 4.

And I'm sure if the current climate of Trekspam continues, a new take on the Earth/Romulan war is almost certain.
 
I think that in the case of some glaring inconsistency, it can help to have a brief throwaway line. Maybe with Klingons it could have been something as simple as "they're from a different part of the Empire," and then move on. But it's pedantic and fanboyish to go into a lot of detail in-universe, like ENT did with the Augment business.
This! So very much this! The Klingon Empire consists of hundred of star systems, and the military is made up of peoples from all different planets. Just like the US military (for example) is made up of people descended from all over our planet. How hard was that to figure out?
 
This! So very much this! The Klingon Empire consists of hundred of star systems, and the military is made up of peoples from all different planets. Just like the US military (for example) is made up of people descended from all over our planet. How hard was that to figure out?
Didn't Picard just fix the disparity in Roman makeup designs over the decades with this simple method?
 
Didn't Picard just fix the disparity in Roman makeup designs over the decades with this simple method?
Yes, but they haven't received their instructions yet since they had to be translated from Latin ;)
This! So very much this! The Klingon Empire consists of hundred of star systems, and the military is made up of peoples from all different planets. Just like the US military (for example) is made up of people descended from all over our planet. How hard was that to figure out?
It's not. But we spend decades making things way more complicated than needed.
 
I also purposefully don’t dwell too much on the artificial gravity sitch… and how that’s the one and ONLY one thing that never fails.

Star Trek Into Darkness had the gravity fail, which highlighted for Starfleet the issues with a giant open atrium at the centre of the saucer section and narrow catwalks over enormous engineering sections.

Before that, in Enterprise the gravity fail once (unexpected), and once (in the mirror universe) they (mirror Archer) use it to crush a Gorn Plus we see that there is a spot on the ship without gravity.

Also a TAS episode, and the Klingon ship in Star Trek VI.
 
Headcanon: Graviton plating uses battery power. That's why they don't fail, they're not tied to the main grid (and they shouldn't be). You can adjust an individual plate and all that, and probably a lot of techies spend their work day making sure the plating and batteries work, but I can get that.

We hear a lot about 'batteries' but again this isn't universally applied as it should be. In Beyond, Chekov or Sulu is like, well, get me to the bridge, maybe there's power there for a console...why isn't the console using (or could be tied up to) a battery? Battery tech should be amazing in tech, it's not like phasers are using beamed power from the warp core, and a phaser can melt half a building, or disintegrate a person.
 
Headcanon: Graviton plating uses battery power. That's why they don't fail, they're not tied to the main grid (and they shouldn't be). You can adjust an individual plate and all that, and probably a lot of techies spend their work day making sure the plating and batteries work, but I can get that.

We hear a lot about 'batteries' but again this isn't universally applied as it should be. In Beyond, Chekov or Sulu is like, well, get me to the bridge, maybe there's power there for a console...why isn't the console using (or could be tied up to) a battery? Battery tech should be amazing in tech, it's not like phasers are using beamed power from the warp core, and a phaser can melt half a building, or disintegrate a person.

Not on a Klingon Starship of the Kirk era, damage to the ship can turn the gravity off everywhere on the ship. In fact, the damage to the ship was intended to turn the gravity off since the assassins were wearing magnetic boots.
 
Not on a Klingon Starship of the Kirk era, damage to the ship can turn the gravity off everywhere on the ship. In fact, the damage to the ship was intended to turn the gravity off since the assassins were wearing magnetic boots.

Klingon jury rigging to cut back on engineering personnel and duties, perhaps? "Oh hook it up to the main system, it'll be fine, if there's a problem, we can reactivate it by the auxiliary power' (which is what happened yea?)
 
Or different technologies, like the Romulans using a quantum singularity warp drive, while Starfleet uses a regular warp core.
 
Not on a Klingon Starship of the Kirk era, damage to the ship can turn the gravity off everywhere on the ship. In fact, the damage to the ship was intended to turn the gravity off since the assassins were wearing magnetic boots.
Since Chang was the commander and was expecting the attack it should have been simple to have the gravity cut off at the right time.
 
Since Chang was the commander and was expecting the attack it should have been simple to have the gravity cut off at the right time.

Possibly, but you could expect some federation experts to check if it was cut off because of the damage or because of independent sabotage, especially if they were going to try Kirk for the crime.
 
Possibly, but you could expect some federation experts to check if it was cut off because of the damage or because of independent sabotage, especially if they were going to try Kirk for the crime.
If they were allowed access, which, in the interest of peace, the trial was handled by the Klingons, so doubtful they had access.
 
If they were allowed access, which, in the interest of peace, the trial was handled by the Klingons, so doubtful they had access.
Yes, but Chang and his accomplices couldn't take that chance, could they?

What if the president of the federation had been more demanding? What if Azetbur had been more yielding?
 
Yes, but Chang and his accomplices couldn't take that chance, could they?

What if the president of the federation had been more demanding? What if Azetbur had been more yielding?
The Federation president would have deferred to Cartwright. Azetbur's position was tenuous and more easily manipulated if necessary. They absolutely could afford to take the chance, relying on manipulating evidence if pressed, with plenty of time to do so as diplomatic channels unfurled.
 
The Federation president would have deferred to Cartwright. Azetbur's position was tenuous and more easily manipulated if necessary. They absolutely could afford to take the chance, relying on manipulating evidence if pressed, with plenty of time to do so as diplomatic channels unfurled.

You know when they killed Kennedy the report of investigation filled 26 volumes, each the size of a dictionary (the size of a respectable encyclopedia) and it was demonstrably incomplete... I can't believe how sloppy these people are in this supposedly evolved future.
 
You know when they killed Kennedy the report of investigation filled 26 volumes, each the size of a dictionary (the size of a respectable encyclopedia) and it was demonstrably incomplete... I can't believe how sloppy these people are in this supposedly evolved future.
Apples and grizzly bears. The conspirators relied on one another to cut off access. It was brushed aside for the good of the galaxy. It's not sloppy so much as political expedience.
 
Apples and grizzly bears. The conspirators relied on one another to cut off access. It was brushed aside for the good of the galaxy. It's not sloppy so much as political expedience.

The same could be (and has been) said about the Warren Report, they still interrogated hundreds of witnesses and evaluated tons (almost literally) of physical evidence.
 
The same could be (and has been) said about the Warren Report, they still interrogated hundreds of witnesses and evaluated tons (almost literally) of physical evidence.
When facing the prospect of continued interstellar war politics will trump investigation. The conspiracy was placing people at the right places to ensure the appropriate outcome. Under more normal circumstances I would agree. However, to misquote Spock "things are not normal."
 
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