Golden Girls had way more cheesecake though.
Is it just me, or is Star Trek going the wrong way?
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Golden Girls had way more cheesecake though.
I really like Discovery. I don't get the "bad writing" stuff, personally I hated the Lorca thing but Sela was 100x worse back in the day. And yes, they overdo the emotional stuff sometimes but it's no way a dealbreaker. They're just a bunch of really emotional people
Given how many series crossovers and characters from other franchises and shows appeared on The Golden Girls I'm kind of shocked that a Trek character hasn't had a cameo in it.
"Picture it. Postatomic Horror Earth. 2059..."
"Picture it. Postatomic Horror Earth. 2059..."
I’m not getting that soft. Watched “Unification III” last night... that was garbage.
I really liked it. I choked up a bit at Michael's looking back at her little brother as an old man. Her reactions were great. And the Ni'Var were pretty much exactly what I would have expected of a hybrid Vulcan/Romulan culture.
Michael watching the TNG Era recording of Nimoy's Spock was one of her best character moments. I liked that episode.
Book: "You guys are chronic overachievers!"
Michael(*Thinking to herself*): "Don't tell him about Sybok. Just...don't."
Michael(*Thinking to herself*): "Don't tell him about Sybok. Just...don't."
How dare they?They're just a bunch of really emotional people
Yeah, and I while I think that Discovery is the best thing that Star Trek has ever done, I do feel that it is a pretty major missed opportunity too.
Discovery is the show where they do "the big things," but I feel that it should be even bigger. Because one show handling all of that still feels kind of small. But I don't think it's the show's fault though, I think it's all of the other shows around it.
There will soon be three live-action shows and two animated shows. If all three live-action shows and both animated shows were all centered around Discovery, then them doing "the big things" would be more meaningful and impactful. And the other shows can focus on the fallout and ramifications of that, all while doing their own things too.
Of course, how it is now, there will be three live-action shows and two animated series, and they're all taking place at different times and doing their own thing, and the only real connection that they have is that they're all Star Trek.
So I feel that they missed a golden opportunity (so far at least) to build around Discovery in order to make what they're doing in Discovery a bigger deal. And build the franchise bigger that way. Instead of everyone just going off into their own separate areas, and there will just be a lot of little things instead of one big thing.
Of course, a lot of separate little things is fine... I suppose. But you can't really build anything that way, and they could have done this bigger in order to build up Star Trek. And they still can go big, just finish up all of this other little stuff. And start over and go big then.
But they caught looking on the first pitch. When the next pitch comes are they going to take a swing, or what are they going to do?
Are they going to try and bunt their way on base, or are they going to take a decent cut at it. Do they want to be in the Big Leagues, or are they content in the minors?
I prefer many little things. Interconnected is overrated now a days.
Is Star Trek going the wrong way?
Star Trek isn't going one way, it's going several ways. Because there actually is more than one way... and someone who doesn't take advantage of all of them would be a fool.
Alex Kurtzman correctly figured out that the fandom has become too factionalized and varied for one series to appeal to all of them. So he has different series to appeal to different niches. The TOS Show (SNW), the TNG Show (PIC), the Future Show (DSC), the Adult Cartoon (LD); and the Kids' Cartoon (PRO) to attract the next group of fans who will then presumably, in theory, discover the other series when they get older.
The only people who aren't going to be catered to are the people who think "Star Trek has become too woke! SJWs have taken over!!!" They'll never be appealed to and should never be appealed to under any circumstances. Even SNW, by all appearances, will have a diverse cast.
Literally the only reason I think they're making a mistake with SNW is because I think they're trying to appeal to old-school fans who will never fully approve of the series because it won't be exactly like TOS, or should I say "The Cage"? But if they can get enough of the people who are open to it being TOS-like instead of TOS-exact, then they'll have found some sort of Happy Medium. Based on reactions in this forum, more of those types of people who are okay with TOS-Like instead of TOS-Exact exist than I thought. Then the only problem we'll have is the problem that's run into with everything that's Pre-TOS, "Did they know about XYZ in this time-frame?!" "Did they have ABC?!" It's going to happen with SNW too. Which series it is doesn't matter. It's just a question of when, not if. And, yeah, I've had it up to here with those people... As as a Hardcore DSC Fan, this is one thing I don't miss from the first two seasons. It's why I'm totally fine with it staying in the 32nd Century.
I can't say anything about the movies because we have no idea what it's going to be about or who will be in it. But, to be frank, I think the films have been hurt by taking so long to come out. They didn't build on momentum. And Beyond came out too long ago now. So I think they should be treating the fourth new film as if it's actually the first new-new film.
Star Trek isn't going one way, it's going several ways. Because there actually is more than one way... and someone who doesn't take advantage of all of them would be a fool.
Alex Kurtzman correctly figured out that the fandom has become too factionalized and varied for one series to appeal to all of them. So he has different series to appeal to different niches. The TOS Show (SNW), the TNG Show (PIC), the Future Show (DSC), the Adult Cartoon (LD); and the Kids' Cartoon (PRO) to attract the next group of fans who will then presumably, in theory, discover the other series when they get older.
The only people who aren't going to be catered to are the people who think "Star Trek has become too woke! SJWs have taken over!!!" They'll never be appealed to and should never be appealed to under any circumstances. Even SNW, by all appearances, will have a diverse cast.
Literally the only reason I think they're making a mistake with SNW is because I think they're trying to appeal to old-school fans who will never fully approve of the series because it won't be exactly like TOS, or should I say "The Cage"? But if they can get enough of the people who are open to it being TOS-like instead of TOS-exact, then they'll have found some sort of Happy Medium. Based on reactions in this forum, more of those types of people who are okay with TOS-Like instead of TOS-Exact exist than I thought. Then the only problem we'll have is the problem that's run into with everything that's Pre-TOS, "Did they know about XYZ in this time-frame?!" "Did they have ABC?!" It's going to happen with SNW too. Which series it is doesn't matter. It's just a question of when, not if. And, yeah, I've had it up to here with those people... As as a Hardcore DSC Fan, this is one thing I don't miss from the first two seasons. It's why I'm totally fine with it staying in the 32nd Century.
I can't say anything about the movies because we have no idea what it's going to be about or who will be in it. But, to be frank, I think the films have been hurt by taking so long to come out. They didn't build on momentum. And Beyond came out too long ago now. So I think they should be treating the fourth new film as if it's actually the first new-new film.
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Right.
It can't possibly be because Romijn, Mount, and Peck have once-in-a-generation chemistry and any producer would be a fool not to capitalize on it.
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I think that’s just Mount doing most of the heavy lifting there. You could stick him on a ship with Harry Kim and Mayweather and he’d find a way to make them seem interesting.
You're putting words in my mouth. I think they have pretty good chemistry too.
Here's the deal: we're both looking forward to SNW. You more than I, but I'm not against it. You stay out of my way, I stay out of yours, and we'll get along great. Let's save it for the people who'll actually hate this show. One way or another, we'll have to co-exist in the SNW Forum, whether we like each other or not.Nah, certainly not anything like that.
You might have a point if "Q&A" didn't exist. Besides, that's not how chemistry works.
"Literally the only reason..." is pretty implicit.
Yes, it can be that too.
That producer reason though is... I guess. And I guess the once-in-a-generation chemistry reason too is... okay, I guess. How many scenes have the three of them been in together? And I guess I question that because I only like Spock, and Number One because I like her attitude. Pike to me though is just generic captain number #4. Or is it number #3? I get 'em confused. But to me he was just another guest star on the Michael Burnham show.
No, but literally the only (or main) reason it's happening is because "the fans demanded it." Because this show wasn't part of their plan, was it? They were going to do the Section 31 show, but that got a somewhat lukewarm reaction from a lot of people online. But a lot of people online immediately liked Pike when he came on Discovery, so now they're doing this show.
That's how it happened, isn't it? And nothing is wrong with that, but that's how Strange New Worlds came about, right? And it is specifically designed to appeal to the old-school fans who want a Star Trek show to be the way that they liked it. And nothing is really wrong with that... other than it might be a case of be careful of what you wish for. And I'm an old-school fan, but I wish they'd just set in during the same time as Discovery and explore their strange new worlds in the 32nd century instead of 1000 years previous. Of course, you would have to throw out Pike and Spock, and create a new character like Number One, because whatever they do with Number One will be new anyway. But whatever...
Anyway, if Strange New Worlds was something that they planned all along, then that's some pretty impressive planning on their part.
"Literally the only reason I think they're making a mistake" is what I said. Re-read my post instead of skimming. And that concern was over Canonistas.
And thanks @Isaac Lawrence for quoting what I said.
I'm pretty Canonista when it comes to Classic Trek and even this General of the People's Nerd Brigade(originally founded 1967) is willing to overlook some stuff I don't like to see SNW succeed. All it takes are tweaks and bones thrown here and there to make modern mesh with old school and blend the two into one general continuity.
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