There's a big difference between a disgusting pervert and a serial rapist. I agree that Cosby will probably have an audience but comparing him to Lewis CK is like comparing apples to grapenuts.
Bill Cosby, now a free man, wants to do a standup act again in U.S., Canada
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I want a 100 billion dollars. We don't always get what we want.
I'll say this - Cosby was and maybe is a fantastic stand up comedian and i loved him and all the others on The Cosby Show. However given all that's happened he's been burned bad in the public eye and if he actually goes through with this the majority of people coming to his shows are probably there to protest and heckle him so what's the point?
I think his best option would be to completely retire to private life and try to be out of the spotlight for the rest of his life.
I think his best option would be to completely retire to private life and try to be out of the spotlight for the rest of his life.
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Ugh. There are people who went to prison longer for smoking weed than Bill Cosby did for rape. What a fucked up system we have. No, no no no. I used to adore Bill Cosby, had a copy of "Himself" on vinyl, VHS, and DVD. Tossed them all when I found out what he had done. Sometimes I can get past an artist and still love the art, but "Himself" is literally Bill Cosby himself, and to do so I'd have to take everything he'd done, and put it up against his performance, and since comedy usually comes from pain, observation, and connecting with people on an emotional and intellectual level to make them laugh and think (usually), it would toss up every red flag I have.
Bill Cosby, now a free man, wants to do a stand up act again in U.S., Canada
IMHO about Cosby, his time in the sun is up as a comedian and as an entertainer, and I doubt he has anything funny to say in a stand-up act that people want to hear (and I don't want to hear any more moralistic nonsense from him about black youth if that's all he has to say.) He needs to be realistic about him making a comeback and retire (he [hopefully for him] has enough fuck-you money tucked away to do that.)
So no, just no. He was freed on a technicality, and so he needs to go live in obscurity for the rest of his days and be thankful for his obscene luck.
That’s hardly comparable though. Doing something gross but not physically touching anyone vs drugging and raping.
Well, I think it's perhaps easier for CK to recover from vs Cosby who's gone to prison and back. Essentially their environments would be completely different.
This proves that you can never tell what's inside someone's head. More often than not when they catch a serial killer or a serial rapist, their neighbors never seem to have suspected a thing, the people closest to them are the most taken aback by their actions.
That would be mostly college kids. The future of our society and all.
This could be a thread to itself, whether we would listen to, or watch, someone after something like this.
I have the same issue with Jon Schaffer of Iced Earth after he was arrested for being at the Capital Riots. Great music, but not likely I would buy anything new from him. I could usually care less about a musician's beliefs or views, but active participation in illegal shit is on another level.
I would go to see Louis CK show now. Especially since you'd get a bargain. His crime is basically 'Rudeness', and he's served his sentence of years of lost revenue. If he ever raped or molested anyone I wouldn't go see him.
I convict Louis CK of a misdemeanor and sentence him to time served and probation. Especially considering when the stories came out he confessed and took responsibility immediately.
I convict Louis CK of a misdemeanor and sentence him to time served and probation. Especially considering when the stories came out he confessed and took responsibility immediately.
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I disagree. Waving your penis in someone's face, and threatening them if they didn't watch that they might face repercussions is horrifying. He also masturbated in front of women against their will. He committed sexual abuse against those women, five in all. Coming out and admitting those abuses gets no leeway with me because all he's doing is telling the truth. Men get far too much leeway in that regard. "Well at least they're honest" doesn't mitigate that they honestly committed sexual misconduct against other human beings who had no power to fight back.
No.
His crime was not "rudeness."
Masturbating in front of nonconsenting women is not even in the same realm as "rudeness."
To say otherwise demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of his crimes.
The same goes for waving his penis around in someone's face and threatening repercussions if they don't watch.
No amount of lost revenue is equal to the horrific things he did to women. He does not deserve our pity because he wasn't able to make money as a result of his behavior.
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Even though he's practically got one foot in the grave and can't take any of it with him, Cosby's insisting on suing Pennsylvania for 'millions and millions' in compensation and is demanding the judge and the DA resign immediately. Utterly shameless.
Yeah, he's going the whole hog on this, literally.
I'm not saying what he (Louis CK0 did was okay, I'm saying that it's not a hanging offense. You're welcome to disagree, and not to watch his comedy.
I was under the impression what he did was more in the area of flashing, if there was coercion involved making them stay in the room it's a bit more serious. If there was no coercion, and no unwanted touching, AND he's repentant, is permanently losing his career a punishment that fits that crime?
I was under the impression what he did was more in the area of flashing, if there was coercion involved making them stay in the room it's a bit more serious. If there was no coercion, and no unwanted touching, AND he's repentant, is permanently losing his career a punishment that fits that crime?
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Yeah, he did so much more than flashing.
The thing is, by him coming back and profiting from his personality again, which is how his comedy works, he's being rewarded, because he hasn't changed his behavior and perspective so much as he's changed his approach:
https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/louis-ck-stand-up-special-metoo-1234571387/
It's like Cosby, you don't sexually assault 60+ women and then be like "but I'm sorry and I'll never do it again now that I know forcing women to watch me masturbate isn't as fun for them as I thought it was." Remediation is crucial, and Louis C.K. hasn't remediated anything, he took ownership for what he did after being pressed hard enough and when evidence started coming out, but then that was it. We have to do better in a world where men literally get away with rape because the police don't believe the women who were raped.
"I know better now" isn't an excuse, because he knew better before, and he knew because he was aware of what he was doing, and did it anyway. His career as a public comedian might be tarnished, but will likely recover. The women, on the other hand, received death threats, and had their lives ripped open for all to see and examine. They won't get to just go back to business as usual.
It's sad that Bill Cosby ended up like this. His show struck a blow against racism that it never recovered from. It is unfortunate that its legacy was tarnished the way it was.
Alas, if Mr. Cosby has paid his debt to society, he can't exactly be stopped from performing at any venue that will have him. I just know I wouldn't want to attend. Hopefully, most people will agree.
Alas, if Mr. Cosby has paid his debt to society, he can't exactly be stopped from performing at any venue that will have him. I just know I wouldn't want to attend. Hopefully, most people will agree.
Well, he's paid his debt to the state... to society, I am not so sure. When Michael Richards uttered his racist tirade he didn't do anything that was punishable by law per se. however, he did something against society that it took him a long time to pay for.
I know Wikipedia shouldn't be taken as fact but I've always found it a reliable way to research and I'm astounded by the size of this page. I'm not saying 100% of this page is fact but look at the size of it. There are globally recognised historical figures with a wiki page smaller than this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases
He should be retiring and living a quiet life with the millions he has in the bank not trying to get back on television and I can't see any networks even considering him. Unless it's a live evening of Christmas duets by the Yule log with Bill Cosby and Roseanne Barr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases
He should be retiring and living a quiet life with the millions he has in the bank not trying to get back on television and I can't see any networks even considering him. Unless it's a live evening of Christmas duets by the Yule log with Bill Cosby and Roseanne Barr.
The (possible) potential audience mentioned in the article and the clubs (small scale as they will most likely be) that will presumably take him in.
Of course, if he wants to do foreign dates, he has to have his record expunged, but he most likely can afford to do that. Also, whatever appearance he makes will have to have a lot of security (perhaps off-duty cops) present to stem the protesters that will inevitably show up.
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