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[Oddish]

Oh, you seem to have “adjusted” your original premise a bit. Welcome to the real world.

Or perhaps misstated it early on. Or had what I meant misinterpreted. My overall views on the subject did not change.

 

[gblews]

Or perhaps misstated it early on. Or had what I meant misinterpreted.

“Perhaps?” Well, did you “misstate,” not, and if you did misstate, what was your misstatement? Also, why did it take so long for you to claim to misstate your point?

Or had what I meant misinterpreted. My overall views on the subject did not change.

Really? Here is your original point to which I responded;

Humans are biologically wired to fear what is different from themselves. It's an instinct that has kept our species alive for centuries. Unfortunately, it can easily turn into racism.

Here is your next to last post:

All I know is that racism is fueled by ignorance, and focusing on the differences between peoplephysical or cultural, real or imagined) is one of the bread and butter tactics of organizations who promote it. That's one of the "carefully taught" par adigms: the notion of "they are not like us."

Looks like an “adjustment” to me.. If not, can you point out how it’s making the same point as your original post?

Finally, are you still clinging to the fantasy that people are born with a “biological” propensity for racism?

 

[Oddish]

I'm saying that people have a tendency to fear what they don't understand. Both my quoted statements are intended to make that point.

And you're the one who's implying that racism is fueled by seeing people of color in pop culture. Seems to me like the opposite would be true.

 

[gblews]

I'm saying that people have a tendency to fear what they don't understand. Both my quoted statements are intended to make that point.

BS! Your original post attributes people’s fear, mistrust, and hate, to biological reasons, meaning, people are born with these characteristics. In the course of the subsequent beat down, you realized how idiotic your statement was and you tried to move the goalposts by broadening your position to encompass a much more realistic viewpoint, all in an effort to save face.

Yes, people DO fear people who are different., but contrary to your original statement on the subject , that fear is LEARNED, and is not, as you called it, biology. And speaking of leaning, sounds like that is what you may have done in this thread. Congrats, but I am going to taKe some credit for your education. Sorry.

And you're the one who's implying that racism is fueled by seeing people of color in pop culture. Seemsto me like the opposite would be gtrue.

Yeah, you tried something like this before, only you’ve changed it’ a bit.

Previously, you tried to say that I said that Blk people in media was itself racist. I explained that you (inexplicably) misinterpreted my statement on the subject.

I never said or implied, that Black people and other minorities, who appear in media and pop culture “fueled racism.” However, minorities in media and pop culture can trigger racists.

Now, show me the post where I said or implied what you are claiming I said or implied. . Please. I’ll be more than happy to address any confusion you may have. Show me the post.
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[Oddish]

BS! Your original post attributes people’s fear, mistrust, and hate, to biological reasons, meaning, people are born with these characteristics. In the course of the subsequent beat down, you realized how idiotic your statement was and you tried to move the goalposts by broadening your position to encompass a much more realistic viewpoint, all in an effort to save face.

Clearly, you're not going to be satisfied unless I declare myself to be a stupid, useless, pathetic imbecile who doesn't know anything and has nothing to contribute to this or any discussion and needs to keep his mouth shut.

One, it's not going to happen. Deal with it.
Two, you haven't changed my opinion. Bill Cosby might be a rapist and a scumbag and a despicable individual, but I believe that his show made a positive cultural impact.
Three, you can deploy as much smoke and mirrors about "moving goalposts" and "beatdowns" as you like. But it will not work, because I'm familiar with the strategy.

 

[gblews]

Clearly, you're not going to be satisfied unless I declare myself to be a stupid, useless, pathetic imbecile who doesn't know anything and has nothing to contribute to this or any discussion and needs to keep his mouth shut.

Wow, okay.

Listen bruh, I’v been wrong before, obviously wrong, on this board and other places on the internet., and one thing I’v learned about being wrong is, it’s best to admit it and move on.

Arguing beside the point, creating straw men, attempting to recast the original point (moving the goal posts) obfuscation, make you look a lot worse than you might have by conceding on all or at least some of your incorrect statements or points. This is especially true if a person can’t adequately defend their position, and/or cannot offer adequate rebuttal.

Two, you haven't changed my opinion. Bill Cosby might be a rapist and a scumbag and a despicable individual, but I believe that his show made a positive cultural impact.

Still trying, huh? For the record, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion you and I have been having the last few pages. This current argument started when I called out your post on humans being born fearing, etc, other humans. SMH,

 

[Jayson1]

Wow, okay.

Listen bruh, I’v been wrong before, obviously wrong, on this board and other places on the internet., and one thing I’v learned about being wrong is, it’s best to admit it and move on.

Arguing beside the point, creating straw men, attempting to recast the original point (moving the goal posts) obfuscation, make you look a lot worse than you might have by conceding on all or at least some of your incorrect statements or points. This is especially true if a person can’t adequately defend their position, and/or cannot offer adequate rebuttal.

Still trying, huh? For the record, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion you and I have been having the last few pages. This current argument started when I called out your post on humans being born fearing, etc, other humans. SMH,

I'm curious. You don't think humans have dark animal like instincts in us at all despite this being the case with other animals on the planet? If so why would the fear of differences not be one of those dark human instincts?

 

[gblews]

I'm curious. You don't think humans have dark animal like instincts in us at all despite this being the case with other animals on the planet? If so why would the fear of differences not be one of those dark human instincts?

I’v answered this question in the last few pages. Babies are capable of, and will, love the person that takes care of it, loves it, provides for it, no matter who that person is or what that person looks like. The reason is because babies aren’t born with an instinct that would cause them to automatically hate, distrust, fear, other humans. This is a concept taught by racists and white supremacists, though it’s probably not limited to just those groups. I can’t believe I would need to explain this in the year 2021.
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You could be hideously deformed and generally, speaking, that baby is unlikely to even consider how you look a “deformity,” until or unless, it is taught. Humans are born with certain instincts, just not the same number or same kind as most other animals.

Just because we are all known as animals, doesn’t mean all animals are exactly the same.

You should get away from this “dark instincts” thing you’re now bringing up. Not sure of how you’re defining this, but it reaLly has little to no meaning in the context of human instincts.

I’m no anthropologist or psychologist. But what I’m talking about here is not just my opinion, it is from things I’v read over the years, and observed. I also watch hours and hours of nature shows on BBC

Really, you should do some reading on this subject on your own instead of relying on info you’ve maybe heard about or because it “seems right” to you.