Your argument has been that he needs a good reason to continue doing so. Mine is that after Season 1, he only needs half an excuse.
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Have a good day.So I just wanted to clarify that. And now that you understand that, we're done... again (because I said the other day "you win, I give up." So we're done again, and you win... again).
Yes, for Picard, or any character... for me they have to have a good reason for doing something. Of course, what constitutes a good reason differs from person to person.
So we understand each other.
Thank you! And a good day to you.
Now I can get out of this place.
You do realize you're leaving out the context of what I said, right?
Why you intentionally did that I have no idea, but anyway.
Anyway, no, it's obviously not simply about his age, it's about the circumstances and reasons for doing something life-threatening at his age.
The reason why he did what he did in the first season was fine. The reason to continue to do that though strains credulity for me.
I'm not sure what context you think I left out, but then I also don't understand why you think the reasons for him going are insufficient. If he still feels up to it, and has a fresh new disease free body, why wouldn't he?
Because Picard is risking his life needlessly in the above poster's view. That is not sufficient reason to do so apparently.
For me it is rather odd. Its like saying only military personnel should fly planes or other risky behaviors.
Really, bro... ?
Anyway, the answer to your question is below.
Yes, that is the answer. Thank you. And yes, not needlessly risking your life is a very sufficient reason to me.
I've finally gotten through.
This part though...
No, that's not what I was talking about.
Using your analogy: if you're a civilian and want to fly a plane for leisure or what have you, fine, have at it. If you're a civilian though and intentionally fly a plane into a military area (or enemy territory or the like), and risk getting shot down because of that, then I would ask why are you doing that?
If you're in the military doing that, fine, that's part of the job. A civilian, though... what in the hell are you doing? And if it's a TV show, what is the story reason for doing this?
Bringing it back to Picard:
If Picard rejoined Starfleet and went flying around the galaxy risking his life, then fine. No problem. I seriously doubt they'll do that in the show though, but whatever. But that would make sense to me.
Picard as a civilian flying around the galaxy risking his life with Rios and the gang though is ridiculous to me. Again, I understand why they did that for season one, because that was obviously the story that they wanted to tell. To do that again for season two though would make no sense to me. For Starfleet to tell him no again and leave something like that as his last resort is stupid to me. Because why is Starfleet saying no again? (That first time was dumb enough to me, now you're doing it again?)
Of course, that's where all of this started. I said that I hope that they set the show on Earth for the most part in season two and was questioned why. And the reason for me wanting that is because the part of season one that I didn't like is when they left Earth. Yes, that encompassed most of season one, but hey, what can you do, I didn't like most of season one.
But yeah, stay on Earth and the chances of them doing something that I think is stupid is greatly reduced.
I've since read the rumors for season two... and of course they're rumors, so who knows... but what I've read is like, "Okay, that make sense. I can see that happening." Nothing that I've read so far sounds stupid to me, and all of it sounds like something that I figured they would do given the teaser information released so far. And it sounds fairly Earth-bound for the most part, which again would make sense to me.
So yep, stay on Earth so you don't do anything that I think is stupid.
And civilian contractors can do this, and many jobs involve risk. To me, this argument is only Starfleet flies around in space. To me that is a deliberately artificial limit because flying in space carries risk. Well, yes, but so do many activities that humans do, including private contractors who due military type work, or perhaps my cousin who drove and carried a weapon to protect ambassadors as a civilian contractor. Or any number of risky activities that non military members can do.
The point is humans do things to risk their lives all the time. Picard was out of it and wants to get back in to it. That means going back to space. That is sufficient for me, insufficient for you, etc. etc.
Really, bro... ?
Yes...and I in fact don't even lift.
When I said "if you're a civilian and want to fly a plane for leisure," I'm obviously not talking about a civilian contractor whose job involves risk. So everything you just said is not what I'm talking about.
Either way, all of this moot anyway, because I believe the character descriptions for the four rumored characters who will be joining the show.
Normally I only believe people like Variety or The Hollywood Reporter, but since that site has what I also believe are the Strange New Worlds character descriptions, then the Picard character descriptions are probably right too.
Or they (or their "sources") did a pretty damn good job coming up with both the Strange New Worlds and Picard character descriptions. And especially the Strange New Worlds one, because five months before we got the official cast announcement, they had the character descriptions down perfectly to what it looks like we're ultimately getting. But they both sound like something that they would do in the shows (and we'll see if the Star Trek: Prodigy adult characters are right too).
But again, the Picard season two stuff is not something that looks stupid to me, it's really quite interesting. And it looks as though they're only doing the kind of stuff that I thought was good in the first season (the Earth stuff), and doing none of the stuff that I thought was stupid (pretty much everything else). So it's somewhat remarkable in that sense. And I guess sites like that may get legitimate scoops every once in awhile. Or if they made it all up, then it's a case of, "Oh my god, that's better than what I would have come up with... ."
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It's one or the other.
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Then civilians can take risk. Because so far the argument has been Picard isn't in Starfleet; therefore he should not take risks. Thats why I made the analogy I did. It felt as ridiculous as you are commenting on right now. Picard can take risks just like any other civilian can. In Star Trek (emphasis on the Star) civilians can go to space. I know, I was surprised to find that out too. Otherwise, why in the world would the D have families on it? The whole basis of silliness has become rather silly to me.When I said "if you're a civilian and want to fly a plane for leisure," I'm obviously not talking about a civilian contractor whose job involves risk. So everything you just said is not what I'm talking about.
But, again, I hope you find something you enjoy. At this point Season 2 does not intrigue me in the slightest.
Okay, you had it right, but you went away from it. Because when you said...
...you had it right, because that's what I'm saying.
So if you rephrase what you just said like so...
Yes, that is correct. Or rather, to be more exact, to needlessly risk your life does not make a great deal of sense to me. Taking a risk is fine, but to needlessly risk your life does not make a great deal of sense to me.
Of course, once more, I completely understand why they did what they did in season one. Because that's how they wanted to write the show. Because otherwise when Picard went to Starfleet and if they had said, "Yes, we'll handle it," then that would have been the end of the show. Of course, the reason that they came up with for saying no I thought was stupid, but that was the way that they wanted to do it, so whatever.
Now that season one is over, Picard will go back and rejoin Starfleet, right? Because if he wants to get back in it, then he'll go back to Starfleet, and get a ship and a crew, and do it the way that he wanted to do it when he went to Starfleet in season one. And when Picard did that, that was a very sensible and a very Jean-Luc Picard thing to do.
Later on, when Picard said that he didn't want to ask Riker, or Worf or Geordi for help, because he didn't want to put their lives in danger, because he didn't want to go through that again. But he was perfectly fine with putting the lives of total strangers who had never met before in danger... now we're back into stupid territory, in my opinion, at least. But again, that's how they wanted to do the show, so okay, whatever.
So again, now that season one is over, Picard is going back and rejoin Starfleet and get a ship and a crew, right? If you want to get back into it, that would be the most sensible thing to do, right? And I wouldn't consider that needlessly risking his life.
If Picard doesn't go back to Starfleet though, then what would be his reason for not doing that? Are they going to do a "Picard doesn't trust Starfleet," or "Starfleet is bad" thing or whatever?
Or probably the reason would be that they don't want to do three live-action shows with pretty much the exact same premise.
Of course, they're not going to do three live-action shows with pretty much the exact same premise. No, they're going to do something with time and time-travel in Picard, so whether he rejoins Starfleet or not is really immaterial.
Anyway, this is curious to me...
I'm assuming you read the rumored character descriptions. If so, obviously don't spoil it for those who don't want to know, but all of those characters sounds really interesting to me. And better than every new character that they came up with this past season (and I like Raffi and the two Romulans, but these rumored upcoming characters sound ever better than them). And I wished they'd done something like this in season one, because it would have been so much better to me, but as long as they're doing it... And normally I do not like time-travel into the past in Star Trek at all, but what they've described sounds really good.
Anyway, what does no intrigue you about season two?
Why? Starfleet is not the only way to do what he wants to do.
This assumes a rational mindset, which Picard did not have. He was depressed, isolated, and felt unworthy of the support of long time friends. He wasn't "perfectly fine" but he was willing to share that risk with them because it was less shameful to him, and he didn't deserve friend's help.
One, new characters. Two, Q. Three, time travel.
Okay, you had it right, but you went away from it. Because when you said...
...you had it right, because that's what I'm saying.
So if you rephrase what you just said like so...
Yes, that is correct. Or rather, to be more exact, to needlessly risk your life does not make a great deal of sense to me. Taking a risk is fine, but to needlessly risk your life does not make a great deal of sense to me.
Of course, once more, I completely understand why they did what they did in season one. Because that's how they wanted to write the show. Because otherwise when Picard went to Starfleet and if they had said, "Yes, we'll handle it," then that would have been the end of the show. Of course, the reason that they came up with for saying no I thought was stupid, but that was the way that they wanted to do it, so whatever.
Now that season one is over, Picard will go back and rejoin Starfleet, right? Because if he wants to get back in it, then he'll go back to Starfleet, and get a ship and a crew, and do it the way that he wanted to do it when he went to Starfleet in season one. And when Picard did that, that was a very sensible and a very Jean-Luc Picard thing to do.
Later on, when Picard said that he didn't want to ask Riker, or Worf or Geordi for help, because he didn't want to put their lives in danger, because he didn't want to go through that again. But he was perfectly fine with putting the lives of total strangers who had never met before in danger... now we're back into stupid territory, in my opinion, at least. But again, that's how they wanted to do the show, so okay, whatever.
So again, now that season one is over, Picard is going back and rejoin Starfleet and get a ship and a crew, right? If you want to get back into it, that would be the most sensible thing to do, right? And I wouldn't consider that needlessly risking his life.
If Picard doesn't go back to Starfleet though, then what would be his reason for not doing that? Are they going to do a "Picard doesn't trust Starfleet," or "Starfleet is bad" thing or whatever?
Or probably the reason would be that they don't want to do three live-action shows with pretty much the exact same premise.
Of course, they're not going to do three live-action shows with pretty much the exact same premise. No, they're going to do something with time and time-travel in Picard, so whether he rejoins Starfleet or not is really immaterial.
Anyway, this is curious to me...
I'm assuming you read the rumored character descriptions. If so, obviously don't spoil it for those who don't want to know, but all of those characters sounds really interesting to me. And better than every new character that they came up with this past season (and I like Raffi and the two Romulans, but these rumored upcoming characters sound ever better than them). And I wished they'd done something like this in season one, because it would have been so much better to me, but as long as they're doing it... And normally I do not like time-travel into the past in Star Trek at all, but what they've described sounds really good.
Anyway, what does no intrigue you about season two?
It seems though that if Picard does return to starfleet, Q will take it away, then he goes to the 'parallel timeine;' where he goes around in a big black jacket, as Sir Pat insists he doesn't want to do TNG 2.0 and be the same Picard he was - not in Starfleet, not on the Enterprise (it's a fun challenge I guess for the writers)...
Discovery season 1: War with Klingons
Discovery season 2: Evil AI takes over galaxy
Discovery season 3: Time travel
Picard season 1: Evil AI takes over the galaxy
Picard season 2: Time travel
Expect Picard season 3 to be war with the Klingons
I have to say that while I'm looking forward to the next season of Picard, I am disappointed that the early indications seem to be it won't really follow any dangling plot threads from the first season at all - instead being an effective reboot, just like season 2 and 3 of Discovery more or less were. We still know little of course, but it seems like aside from featuring the same group of supporting actors, there might not be all that much that will have made the first season actually required at all.
I realize a lot of shows are set up with this format, as it works well when you're "winging it" from season to season and don't have something like a series of established novels to work off of. But IMHO it kinda cheapens the whole supposed pivot to serialization if consequences only matter until the season finale.
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I feel a similar way. It bothers me that this is something that just gets left out there and really makes any sort of investment a bit unsatisfying.
I pretty mucch feel the same.
I don't need multi-season arcs (that would need meticulous planning and writing), but they did some interesting world building and I'd like to see some of it explored further. I'm trying to be positive, but oh well...
I will just point out that we have absolutely no idea whether the plot threads from S1 will be picked up and explored further or not. Being given an indication of the overarching plot arc of the season tells us nothing about the sub-plots or character arcs. The storyline with Q seems like it is going to be the backdrop of the season, sure, but there is room for all kinds of stories to be told against that backdrop, including dangling plot threads such as Picard's new life, Agnes's legal charges, Raffi and Seven's tentative new bond, etc. I'm not going to judge until I see how it plays out on-screen and I can see for myself if those dangling plot threads are addressed or not.
Is there a link to these rumors about new characters mentioned above?
Because, as a certain celebrated captain before him once put it: "Because while you're there, you can make a difference."
Jean-Luc Picard didn't have the career he had because he was the kind of guy who put his personal safety first. He's the kind of guy who wants to go out there and make a positive difference in the universe, and he's willing to put his life at risk to do that. That is how he achieves emotional satisfaction and fulfillment. That is his self-actualization. And not doing that was why he was suffering from clinical depression between 2385 and 2399 -- why he was, as he put it, "not living, just waiting to die."
The Federation's core worlds are virtual paradises. Jean-Luc always had plenty of other options for what to do with his life that didn't put his safety at risk. He even explored that possibility in TNG S4 "Family;" he could have become the director of the Atlantis Project that was looking to create new habitats under the oceans. But that wasn't the career for him, wasn't the best way for him to achieve self-actualization. His heart has always laid among the stars.
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