Plot holes.

[F. King Daniel]

At least the current show runners of Trek are (as far as they know) not like the ones of the Charmed Reboot, who outright said that people shouldn't pay attention to continuity.

No, they keep insisting it's the same continuity even though everything looks different, is far more high tech (check out the old USS Shenzhou, and it's forcefield tech on-par with the Enterprise-E), the Le-Matya has been turned from a big cat into a giant spider monster and Yeoman Colt has gone from human to spiky alien.

It's worse, in a way.

 

[Orphalesion]

No, they keep insisting it's the same continuity even though everything looks different, is far more high tech (check out the old USS Shenzhou, and it's forcefield tech on-par with the Enterprise-E), the Le-Matya has been turned from a big cat into a giant spider monster and Yeoman Colt has gone from human to spiky alien.

It's worse, in a way.

As I always say when people bring that up; you can't expect a show from the 2010s/2020s to look exactly like a show from the 1960s, unless it is a parody. Even if they were to make, say, a Stargazer Series, it could never look like Season 1 TNG. It just couldn't.
Colt was only named thus in the credits and, sorry I don't know what you mean with the spider monster.

 

[freethinker]

As I always say when people bring that up; you can't expect a show from the 2010s/2020s to look exactly like a show from the 1960s, unless it is a parody. Even if they were to make, say, a Stargazer Series, it could never look like Season 1 TNG. It just couldn't.
Colt was only named thus in the credits and, sorry I don't know what you mean with the spider monster.

I am guessing the thing that attacked Michael as a kid.

 

[Orphalesion]

I am guessing the thing that attacked Michael as a kid.

Was that ever identified as a Le-Matya in dialogue?

 

[freethinker]

Was that ever identified as a Le-Matya in dialogue?

I don't think so. There's also the dino-crab in Star Trek 2009.

 

[The Wormhole]

Not really a plot hole as such but the speed Picard goes back to being captain after his years spent in another life in inner light, surely it would take months or years to be in a place he could resume duties, if at all.

You have to remember, the episode Family was considered controversial among the studio suits because Picard was taking a week off to deal with the trauma of what happened in TBOBW. They didn't want to ruffle too many feathers by having Picard take another week off to deal with a traumatizing event.

 

[dupersuper]

As I always say when people bring that up; you can't expect a show from the 2010s/2020s to look exactly like a show from the 1960s

I can and do. If they don't want to they should make a new sci-fi show rather than one with episodes made in the 60s.

 

[Dukhat]

As I always say when people bring that up; you can't expect a show from the 2010s/2020s to look exactly like a show from the 1960s, unless it is a parody.

But it's not about 'making the show look like the '60's.' It's about using that '60's show's production values as a jumping off point to update its look. In my opinion, that's not what they did (at least for season 1). They just made the show look like any other generic 2020's sci-fi show.

Even if they were to make, say, a Stargazer Series, it could never look like Season 1 TNG. It just couldn't.

On the contrary, I think a show produced in 2022 but intentionally made to look like it takes place during pre-TNG season 1 wouldn't be all that unrealistic if they were trying to just mimic the surface details.

 

[Orphalesion]

I can and do. If they don't want to they should make a new sci-fi show rather than one with episodes made in the 60s.

Well, but your expectations are not gonna impact the production of Discovery or SNW.
Plus...Discovery is a new show.

But it's not about 'making the show look like the '60's.' It's about using that '60's show's production values as a jumping off point to update its look. In my opinion, that's not what they did (at least for season 1). They just made the show look like any other generic 2020's sci-fi show.

To me the general design of DISC is pretty much a progression from ENT.
Plus, the Bridge of the Enterprise we saw in Season 2 looks like a perfect upgrade of the original bridge for modern times.

On the contrary, I think a show produced in 2022 but intentionally made to look like it takes place during pre-TNG season 1 wouldn't be all that unrealistic if they were trying to just mimic the surface details.

I mean it is more reasonable than making SNW look 100% like TOS, but only marginally.

 

[Dukhat]

To me the general design of DISC is pretty much a progression from ENT.

Oh yes, I'm not denying that. But ENT was 90 years before. TOS is only 10 years in the future, so the aesthetic should look much more like TOS than ENT, if they were doing a legit visual prequel.

Plus, the Bridge of the Enterprise we saw in Season 2 looks like a perfect upgrade of the original bridge for modern times.

Again, agreed. It's obvious that the producers were trying to get back to the TOS aesthetic after season 1.

I mean it is more reasonable than making SNW look 100% like TOS, but only marginally.

I think the TMP aesthetic still holds up today (or at least a lot better than the TOS aesthetic.) With a few tweaks it can still be believable as a futuristic setting.

 

[freethinker]

....
I think the TMP aesthetic still holds up today (or at least a lot better than the TOS aesthetic.) With a few tweaks it can still be believable as a futuristic setting.

Plus the Ilia android is way sexier than say... Data.

 

[fireproof78]

To me the general design of DISC is pretty much a progression from ENT.
Plus, the Bridge of the Enterprise we saw in Season 2 looks like a perfect upgrade of the original bridge for modern times.

Same here. But, to me, TOS always has the look of close enough to the future to be near believable. Not 100% but close enough for my purposes. TMP is probably a little closer but still not perfectly futuristic for what I would expect. Discovery felt like an update from ENT going forward that was more in line with a 2010/2020 view of the future, which I would prefer to constantly going back to the 60s or 80s.

 

[Orphalesion]

Again, agreed. It's obvious that the producers were trying to get back to the TOS aesthetic after season 1.

I disagree. I think it's more like a reinterpretation of TOS elements in the DISC aesthetic.

I think the TMP aesthetic still holds up today (or at least a lot better than the TOS aesthetic.) With a few tweaks it can still be believable as a futuristic setting.

Maybe the parts that were ripped off from 2001:A Space Odyssey. But even then...too "70s in Spaaaaace"

 

[FormerLurker]

I have for many decades now believed that an ideal update of the TOS era would be a TOS-looking set with TMP-style controls. That way you have both the classic look and the more believable controls. There are those that believe that future-tech will be simple controls that do complex things, but 1) that only works with touchscreens, not the physical controls that militaries prefer, and 2) that doesn't look like what we are expecting from a TOS update. YMMV.

 

[1001001]

You can’t have a show set 200+ years in our future with tech worse than what we have now in real life.

Buttons and knobs and dials and switches. I think it would look ridiculous.

I don’t have any problem accepting DSC was in “our” timeline.

 

[freethinker]

Unless you have someone like Tom Paris who happens to like buttons, Knobs, dials, and switches ( Captain proton and the Delta flyer).

 

[Orphalesion]

Unless you have someone like Tom Paris who happens to like buttons, Knobs, dials, and switches ( Captain proton and the Delta flyer).

Well, and a Captain Proton Series (as is a comedy show making fun of old scifi) would be the only way to sell such an aesthetic to a modern audience.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well, and a Captain Proton Series (as is a comedy show making fun of old scifi) would be the only way to sell such an aesthetic to a modern audience.

Exactly. A character liking something isn't remotely enough of a reason to get an audience to like something. If people watching a show think it's too ridiculous, they'll just change the channel, no matter what the characters in-universe might be thinking.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless you have someone like Tom Paris who happens to like buttons, Knobs, dials, and switches ( Captain proton and the Delta flyer).

The reason that works is that he is presented as an outlier, and his doing so is treated as odd.

 

[dupersuper]

Plus the Ilia android is way sexier than say... Data.

But is she fully functional?

Maybe the parts that were ripped off from 2001:A Space Odyssey. But even then...too "70s in Spaaaaace"

I have no idea what you mean...

You can’t have a show set 200+ years in our future with tech worse than what we have now in real life.

Buttons and knobs and dials and switches. I think it would look ridiculous.

I don’t have any problem accepting DSC was in “our” timeline.

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I'm sure there are many practical reasons you could come up with explaining why knobs and switches were more practical with the duotronic tech of the time.