Spoilers Loki season one discussion thread

[The Nth Doctor]

Loki has never really come off as an actual villain or evil, just a hurt person who ends up hurting other people. Odin could've nipped some problems in the bud by taking the family to therapy.

It's always come across to me as being all about him and Thor, which is not hard to believe.

Going back to the first Thor movie, he wasn't out to kill Odin or conquer Asgard; he wanted out of Thor's shadow. His methods were over the top, but for a being thousands of years old I think his goals were fairly humble.

Fast forward to Thor: Ragnorok, I think he and Thor had a believable relationship, neither of them entirely right or wrong. The Loki we saw on the Asgardian refugee ship when Thanos shows up was certainly not a villain.

Yup, I agree with all of that. There's a lot to explore there and I wonder if the new different variants we're about to get to know will explore some of those potential "what if...?" dynamics. I'm guessing at least the Loki holding what looks like Mjolnir will cover some of that.

ETA: And why did no one tell me about this new MODOK series? Jeese Louis!

I mentioned it several times in the Marvel thread!

 

[UssGlenn]

I found it odd that the opening flashback showed young Sylvie just happily playing with her toys, seemingly minding her own business, when the TVA popped up to arrest her and accuse her of crimes against the "sacred timeline." Was she arrested for something she had already done and they took their, er, time to show up or did they show up to prevent her from causing a Nexus Event? I was relieved to see later on in the elevator that even Sylvie doesn't know the exact nature of the Nexus Event she supposedly caused. I'm not saying it was something that the TVA fabricated but there is definitely something highly dubious about the nature of that situation, further evidenced by Ravonna's evasion about it ("I don't remember").

If we look at the graph it looks like the variant timelines split off at different angles depending on the severity of the divergence. It's only when the divergence gets large enough that the computer alerts the TVA. Other smaller divergences probably settle down on their own, they might even naturally merge back together with the original timeline. So Sylvie being born split off a timeline, but the angle of divergence was very low. Years later it had finally diverged enough to trigger the TVA monitoring, so they pruned it. It would have been even more years before the Sylvie timeline reached the Redline. We just don't see this sort of slow growth demonstrated elsewhere because we are visiting events caused by a time traveler, which causes immediate large angle divergences.

The 2 Loki's falling in love would not matter since they were about to die. That was the whole point that Loki explained in an earlier episode: changes don't matter in an apocalypse since everything is destroyed anyway. So I feel like the show basically broke their own rules in order to advance the plot.

They specifically talk about increasing the sensitivity of their monitoring, so that they could see changes they would normally ignore (since they would be pruned naturally).

 

[Romulan_spy]

They specifically talk about increasing the sensitivity of their monitoring, so that they could see changes they would normally ignore (since they would be pruned naturally).

Thanks

 

[Tuskin38]

On the the scanner screen in that scene, at one point Morag is mentioned on the top ticker.

 

[kirk55555]

A decent episode, although the middle got a bit boring with all the interrogation stuff. I liked seeing Sif again, and a reference to Loki and her having a confrontation is probably the most character development/backstory that Sif has gotten in the MCU, along with referencing with at least a comics (and possibly mythological) story connecting them (Sif was a blonde until Loki replaced it with pure black hair, just because he's a jerk).

I figured that the Time Keepers were going to be some kind of trick, so I wasn't surprised to see that they were fake. Seeing the other Loki's was cool, having Richard E grant wearing the old comic Loki costume was great, I'm very interested in seeing what happens with them.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, shit. That episode sure ratcheted things up to eleven and kept going. I am seriously loving this show, for the first time in years I have absolutely no idea where a storyline is going. Every week this show keeps me guessing and exceeds my expectations. Hard to believe there's only two episodes left.

 

[Tarek71]

Well, shit. That episode sure ratcheted things up to eleven and kept going. I am seriously loving this show, for the first time in years I have absolutely no idea where a storyline is going. Every week this show keeps me guessing and exceeds my expectations. Hard to believe there's only two episodes left.

Couldn't agree more. And if they can get all the way to the end with no toxic Woke BS, I will be even more thrilled. Falcon and TWS got to be very painful to sit thru by the end. Loki is head, shoulders and elbows superior. Hope this keeps up.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It's always come across to me as being all about him and Thor, which is not hard to believe.

Going back to the first Thor movie, he wasn't out to kill Odin or conquer Asgard; he wanted out of Thor's shadow. His methods were over the top, but for a being thousands of years old I think his goals were fairly humble.

Fast forward to Thor: Ragnorok, I think he and Thor had a believable relationship, neither of them entirely right or wrong. The Loki we saw on the Asgardian refugee ship when Thanos shows up was certainly not a villain.

ETA: And why did no one tell me about this new MODOK series? Jeese Louis!

I have three brothers, nothing Loki has done is unusual to me.

 

[Trekker4747]

toxic Woke BS...

 

[Tarek71]

While dozing off earlier, I suddenly had a thought: What if Miss Minutes is far more than what she appears to be? I know someone joked about that back when the season started, but now I think there might be something to that, especially considering the hints Tara Strong suggested in a recent interview about not seeing the last of her.

Of course, the obvious answer would be Kang (either she's a projection of him or a minion of his), but my groggy mind went somewhere else, which made more sense then than now: What if she's one of those Jack Kirby cosmic beings? I don't know much about them beyond what we see in the original Infinity Gauntlet mini-series, but I think there was one that represented time.

Or, again, I might be overthinking this.


Oh, duh, of course. I should've made that connection. I'm a huge fan of Norse mythology and recently read Neil Gaiman's retellings of the most well-known ones. That moment is a wonderful reference to them.


I noticed that as well. Like I said in my review, I wonder if that's a reference to the comics in someway or of this is an MCU original idea.


I agree she's part of it but I don't think she's the driving force. Remember in the flashback, she was a mere hunter and the TVA was already operating.


The Kang theory makes a lot of sense especially considering we know he's already coming. I wouldn't be surprised if this series turns out it's going to lead into Quantumania much like Wandavision leads into Multiverese of Madness.


Ah, that does sound familiar. I plan on rewatching the episodes before the finale but I imagine her situation will become clearer before then (or maybe not).


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense and would be the easiest explanation to resolve my earlier queries.

Makes me wonder if and when we catch up with Mobius whether his realm is full of Owen Wilsons or if we'll see some kind of variations...such as a Luke Wilson?


I like that idea a lot. That adds to Loki's growth as a person, similar to MCU film Loki but getting there by a completely different path.


The ironic twist being that the TVA's meddling made Sylvie more self-centered and only caring about herself.

I thought of the two Quicksilvers. They snuck in the one from the X-MenVerse on WandaVision, but gave him another explanation at the end of that series. But that would be an example of those who could be living in these other worlds. The apocalyptic cityscape that Loki lands in at the end of this episode looks like an Earth city though.

Is this a Loki World with thousands/millions of quantum variations of himself, or is this a world with all sorts of variants?

 

[Trekker4747]

Thought it was a pretty good episode with some surprising moments. I do hope we'll also see Mobius in this other realm/place where Loki ended up with these other versions of Loki. Wilson was a fun part of the few episodes we got him in.

Maybe I'm reading it differently, but I'm assuming the Time Keepers actually may still exist somewhere just not in this specific place and "time." They were decoys.

(Oh, got to like the Disney+ feature where you can press the "quick rewind button" on the Roku remote and it'll replay the scene with Closed Captioning, because I was not picking up what the Time Keepers were saying.)

 

[Tarek71]

(Oh, got to like the Disney+ feature where you can press the "quick rewind button" on the Roku remote and it'll replay the scene with Closed Captioning, because I was not picking up what the Time Keepers were saying.)

I don't hear that well, so I always have the captions on. It is a big help.

 

[Trekker4747]

I don't hear that well, so I always have the captions on. It is a big help.

I'll turn them on sometimes just to have them there to pick up on stuff I can miss, particularly when comes to speaking with accents and inflections that mesh words. But the Disney+ app has a setting were it'll replay the last 20-30 seconds or so with the captioning on until the point you pressed the quick-rewind button.

 

[valkyrie013]

Same, watch with captions on where available.
I can hear but sometimes the explosions/action is so loud so I turn it down, then the next scene is talking so I have to turn it up.. Annoying.

I'll go with the theory that Revona is in charge. Maybe there were timekeeper but died, and she is just continuing on.

 

[JD]

One person doesn't write a single episode or a string of single episodes without a lot of cocaine.

What happens (sometimes) with soaps is that a lone writer writes/drafts an arc. One longish story, that the EP then breaks into a number of chunks that are then peppered through the next episodes, or most of the season, depending on what sort of faith the EP has in the storyline.

So it's 5 or 6 writers each responsible for 3 to ten minutes an episode, and then a master mind figures out who goes where and what is working and what is not, as the ratings come in.

Oops, I guess I was mistaken, I just double checked and the Marvel series do have different writers credited for the different episodes.
But I do know for a fact that Michael Hirst wrote all 89 episodes of Vikings himself, or at least is the only credited writer for every episode.

Couldn't agree more. And if they can get all the way to the end with no toxic Woke BS, I will be even more thrilled. Falcon and TWS got to be very painful to sit thru by the end. Loki is head, shoulders and elbows superior. Hope this keeps up.

I loved this one.
We got some great character moments for the whole cast here.
They really got me with Mobius and Loki's
"deaths", and I didn't find out about the mid credits scene until hours after I watched the rest of it, so I actually thought they killed Loki. I found out about the scene later and did go back and watch it. Definitely a big surprise, and I'm very curious to see where things are going now.
I'm assuming if Loki survived that must mean Mobius is off somewhere with a bunch of his own variants.
I already thought something wonky was going on with the Time Keepers, so I was not surprised they were fake. I was actually more surprised when they appeared to be real, than by the reveal they were androids.
I think at this point it's pretty clear Ravonna knows exactly what is going on, although like someone already pointed out up thread, she's probably not the mastermind since we saw her as a hunter in the flashback.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There was a comics based Kid Loki in the Earth-616 timeline, so that accounts for the kid.

I seem to remember an alternate Loki with a hammer (maybe Mjölnir, maybe not) in comics lore, but I can't find that atm.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Loki and Bart Simpson teaming up in animated short in July
https://deadline.com/2021/06/the-si...premiering-in-july-tom-hiddleston-1234783938/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

There was a comics bases Kid Loki in the Earth-616 timeline, so that accounts for the kid.

I seem to remember an alternate Loki with a hammer (maybe Mjölnir, maybe not) in comics lore, but I can't find that atm.

But nothing on alligator/crocodile Loki?

 

[valkyrie013]

But nothing on alligator/crocodile Loki?

Read that he can shape shift.. And got stuck.. At least he has his crown..

 

[dupersuper]

In all seriousness, no I wouldn't.

Maybe I'm reading it differently, but I'm assuming the Time Keepers actually may still exist somewhere just not in this specific place and "time." They were decoys.

Crap, some one killed the decoy family...