What are you talking about? The 1990s came and went and there were no "Eugenics Wars" where whole populations were bombed out of existence (A quote direct from Mr. Spock himself).
Will We Ever See The 1990s Star Trek Aesthetic Again? Or Hear that “humm” Sound When No One Speaks?
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Darn. My memory of it was bombed out of existence too.
If you can remember the Eugenics Wars, you weren't there.
That's hardly the only driving force behind nostalgia. There's the yearning for our youth, the love of the novelty of different eras aesthetics...
That's why I said "the driving force" and not "the only force". I like the 1920s. Doesn't mean I'm nostalgic for them. I never lived through that decade. It's historical to me, not nostalgic. For that matter, sorry to burst some people's bubble, but I don't think of the 1960s as nostalgic either. To me, from my perspective, it's historic.
Nothing before the 1980s is nostalgic to me, because I never actually lived through it. Now, if you want to talk about the '80s, or the '90s, or the '00s, then that's a different story. I could yearn to go back to those times (I don't, but I could), because I was actually there to begin with. I can never yearn to go back to something I wasn't part of because that would imply I was actually there before.
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IMO, it doesn't take place in the same universe as TNG. It takes place in the same universe as everything after First Contact, with all the butterflies their interferenced caused, including the lost Borg Drones; the timeline really only includes Enterprise and Discovery, as far as events we have seen. This is an extention of the Discovery timeline - we have no idea what this timeline's version of TNG even looked like.
Sure we do...they used stills from TNG in Picard.
That's one reason I hate First Contact.
First Contact didn't change the timeline.
Well that's a silly opinion because it goes against on screen facts and what the people who control the canon have said.
Except Voyager references the events of First Contact twice, Enterprise's Borg episode is the reason why the Borg are in the Beta quadrant in TNG.
First Contact didn't change the timeline. Unless somehow Seven of Nine has memories of two different timelines. Or is Voyager in this same mythical timeline as Discovery and Enterprise?
And don't forget Riker running the historical holoprogram in the Enterprise finale. Or is that from the altered TNG timeline that just happened to have the exact same events of 'The Pegasus' in it?
They showed images of events from TNG in Picard using screencaps from the show.
They reference the events of Nemesis, they showed B4's body. Picard's quantum archive is full of call backs.
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PIC is not in a "First Contact timeline." Neither are ENT or DSC. The creators say that all the Trek series happen in the same timeline and interact with one another throughout the wider narrative of the franchise so it doesn't really much matter what clever little temporal alteration theories we come up with to explain why the technology on TOS doesn't seem to line up with that on DSC or why Romulans already have early cloaking tech in ENT.
It's all the same continuity.
It's all the same continuity.
There is one unequivocal example (outside the Kelvin Timeline, of course) of the franchise now being in an alternate timeline in all of Trek that I can recall and one that is clearly declared onscreen for even the in-universe characters to hear and process. In "Accession(DS9)" Akorem Laan originally never finished one of his most famous Bajoran poems when he vanished in the 22nd century but after arriving in the late 24th and being returned to his own time through the Bajoran Wormhole Kira notices that said poem has now been completed, contrary to everything she remembers and grew up knowing.
To paraphrase an amused Benjamin Sisko: "The Prophets work in mysterious ways."
To paraphrase an amused Benjamin Sisko: "The Prophets work in mysterious ways."
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There's another example in DS9, Sisko replacing Gabriel Bell.
True.
Unless he was always meant to replace Bell. Time loops canonically exist in Star Trek, after all.
And we never did see a photo of Bell before Sisko, Bashir and Dax go back to 2024. Growing up maybe Sisko never really noticed that Bell looked like him since he was just one of many historical figures he learned about in school and blended in with other important people throughout the centuries.
Exactly. And even if child-Sisko saw a photo of Bell it wouldn't mean anything to him because that photo would be of adult-Sisko
Sisko didn't replace anyone as he probably never bothered to look for a 21st century photo of Gabriel Bell (he like everyone else in the 24th century just knew the name (maybe saw the movie
)but never bother to look at an actual photo from the period because if he had - he would have seen himself )
I look at the Bell Riots as a temporal causality loop. Benjamin Sisko was probably always Gabriel Bell and the real Bell always died at the hands of B.C.(Biddle Coleridge). Much like Riker and Geordi were likely always in the cockpit of the Phoenix with Zefram Cochrane though history never recorded that for obvious reasons.
Sorry, I don't believe in predestination paradoxes or causality loops. IMO, there is *always* an "original" timeline, before something tampered and set in motion a change that then *became* a loop. We just don't always get to SEE the original timeline. Before First Contact, there was *absolutely* a *different* set of events with Cochrane that had produced everything referenced by TOS. Even the NX being named Enterprise was most likely a change, due to knowledge of the Enterprise E.... the original ship was most likely named something completely different.
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