By revealing who the character is in the first episode, then deciding he should be a different character all together later on?
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By revealing who the character is in the first episode, then deciding he should be a different character all together later on?
I read down through the article on Tom Cavanaugh's departure from the Flash. He's directing the season finale of Superman and Lois.
Sure, since they made the change between the pilot and the second episode (it sounds like), and then waited another several episodes before revealing it. So they were able to take advantage of the original hint to serve a different purpose than intended.
And technically they didn't reveal who the character was. They revealed that he was addressed as "Captain Luthor," but whether he was an alternate Lex Luthor, his son, or something else was left vague. So it was more a hint than a reveal, and they were able to turn it into a red herring instead.
To borrow from John Dalberg-Acton, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely...." A person with overwhelming power (and next to no opposition or means to control him) has the ability and psychological profile to believe his view,, will and actions are always right, as he can see justice through the application of said overwhelming power. That's one of the reasons Evil Superman stories have been popular over the decades, as its too easy to have a character be an on-call Boy Scout, but what happens if he--through his power-influenced lens--beings to believe that makes him "right" about everything (including being the one judge and jury)--at the expense of the free will of the people?
There are many variations on the Evil Superman story, but its a natural outgrowth of the struggles a Superman would have in realistic settings, and whether of not his being so far beyond mankind would make him turn (eventually), or the people would fear and/or exploit him for being that kind of creature.
The pilot simply contains one line addressing the character as "Captain Luthor," which is neither a guarantee nor a promise nor a commitment of any kind.
Worked real well, too.
The STD people were pulling it out of their asses and changing shit as they went every week, and it showed.
Worked real well, too.
The STD people were pulling it out of their asses and changing shit as they went every week, and it showed.
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That's the quote people always pull out of their hats, but research suggests that it's actually the other way around -- how people use power depends on their existing inclination and ethics. People who are inclined to be altruistic will tend to use their power altruistically. Power doesn't create corruption so much as amplify it if it already exists.
And of course, the entire intent behind the creation of Superman was to refute the idea that power inevitably corrupts. If anything, the quotation that Superman most embodies is not that one from 51 years earlier, but the one that Stan Lee wrote some 23 years later: "With great power there must also come great responsibility." Even if power tends to corrupt, that tendency can be countered by a sense of responsibility and compassion for others.
Well Irons and his daughter didn't seem scared of Superman in the flashback. Just curious as to what he was doing.
No they weren't.
X-Kryptonite resurrects the dead into a new body, over writing the original personality eventually.
It's likely that Clark had checked out, and that was Zod driving his meat sack around.
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How Johnathan Kent got powered up in Smallville, had me think that their powerset is technological, not biological. Although if Kryptonian souls are powering up humans here and now, then their powers are mental, or spiritual, or possibly even magic.
It's likely that Clark had checked out, and that was Zod driving his meat sack around.
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How Johnathan Kent got powered up in Smallville, had me think that their powerset is technological, not biological. Although if Kryptonian souls are powering up humans here and now, then their powers are mental, or spiritual, or possibly even magic.
They absolutely were. Complete train wreck.
Nope to both of these things.
This is where I "brag" about editing the novelization of the Shaq movie back in the day. I swear to God, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
They...made a novel?
Mine failed to as well. Weird.
No they actually weren't. They talked about how they plotted the whole storyline. If anything it's the folks running this current Superman series that just pulled this out of their ass, after first setting up the character to be another Lex Luther from their multiverse.
I guess a lot of people really like it but I felt it was derivative of what they did in Supergirl season 1 with the reveal of the Martian Manhunter.
The above said I didn't really care for how they handled either Lorca or Tyler during season one of STD; but the fact is that no the writers of STD season 1 did exactly what they had plotted and planned - none of it was pulled out of their ass.
Though apparently there were rewrites and story pivots. That can lead to sloppiness. For example see the Star Wars Prequels.
Again: They made that change very early on, right after the pilot. That's the same time that Supergirl's producers decided to change Hank Henshaw to J'onn J'onnz.
This is part of what pilots are for. They're practice runs for the series to come. You try things out, you see what works, you learn from the experience and make adjustments before beginning production on the series as a whole. That's nothing to condemn. It's normal. There have been hundreds of pilots that set things up that were later changed or abandoned in the series, sometimes much more clumsily than here. (E.g. the 1990 The Flash where Iris West was dropped as a main character after the pilot with just two lines of exposition to handwave it. Or Alien Nation, where the pilot ended with a cliffhanger revealing that the female lead had a terminal disease, and then it was totally forgotten for the rest of the series.)
Yes and no. Again it comes down to timing. A lot of what Bryan Fuller had planned for the series was changed when he was let go as showrunner, but that happened before the pilot was even filmed. So there were things set up in the pilot script that were then reworked in the rest of the season, but the new plan was in place by episode 2 at the latest.
Discovery season 2, on the other hand, had its showrunners fired after four episodes, and the scripts for several more episodes would've been done by then. So there was a change of direction midseason, which is fairly evident.
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"Plan" is a word that means something. Apologists for the show pretend they knew what they were doing. They did not.
There was no plan in place by episode 2 of STD. At best they had some general notions and intentions, and no clear idea how they were going to do it given the cards they were dealt in the heavily reworked and reconstructed two-hour pilot. That was evident watching the first half-dozen episodes.
There was no plan in place by episode 2 of STD. At best they had some general notions and intentions, and no clear idea how they were going to do it given the cards they were dealt in the heavily reworked and reconstructed two-hour pilot. That was evident watching the first half-dozen episodes.
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The idea that you need to watch something to criticize it is ridiculous, something that is bad is just bad, having to suffer through it personally is unnecessary.
The people in charge loathe Superman and his mythos. They don't even want to make a Superman show, they want a show about teenage assholes with superman's powers, and they stuck Superman and Lois in the show so that they could trick viewers into watching it. The fact that they ruined Steel is just more proof of the active hatred they have for the property.
Well, the other Arrowverse shows (minus Black Lightning I guess) have the decency to not have fucking teenagers as part of their cast (much less as main characters, which even Black Lightning doesn't really do), so Super Teens certainly is nothing like the other shows, I'll give you that. If it was more like other CW shows, it might be tolerable (in theory, at least). I mean, CW has no good DC shows left, even The Flash is a barely animate corpse of its former self, but at least all of its main cast are adults.
I'd say that about pretending that ignoring the source material is a good thing
Yawning. Intensifies.The idea that you need to watch something to criticize it is ridiculous, something that is bad is just bad, having to suffer through it personally is unnecessary.
The people in charge loathe Superman and his mythos. They don't even want to make a Superman show, they want a show about teenage assholes with superman's powers, and they stuck Superman and Lois in the show so that they could trick viewers into watching it. The fact that they ruined Steel is just more proof of the active hatred they have for the property.
Well, the other Arrowverse shows (minus Black Lightning I guess) have the decency to not have fucking teenagers as part of their cast (much less as main characters, which even Black Lightning doesn't really do), so Super Teens certainly is nothing like the other shows, I'll give you that. If it was more like other CW shows, it might be tolerable (in theory, at least). I mean, CW has no good DC shows left, even The Flash is a barely animate corpse of its former self, but at least all of its main cast are adults.
I'd say that about pretending that ignoring the source material is a good thing
And here your ignorance shows again. Most of the people with powers are adults.
Only two teens have powers, one is Clark's son, and one got them by accident, and neither are assholes.
You cannot criticise something fairly that you have no first hand experience with.
You keep saying this, but there's zero evidence.
You must hate the Multiverse concept then.
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