Spoilers There will never be Ferengi in DISCO

[JirinPanthosa]

Just because the Orions took the Ferengi role doesn't mean the Ferengi doesn't exist.

Maybe Grand Nagus Rom was more successful than he could be realistically expected to be in transforming the society.

 

[Swedish Borg]

The Orions in TAS were kinda like Kamikazes a bit different from was we saw later.

 

[fireproof78]

Or different factions.

 

[GMDreia]

Just because the Orions took the Ferengi role doesn't mean the Ferengi doesn't exist.

Maybe Grand Nagus Rom was more successful than he could be realistically expected to be in transforming the society.

They could still be the jerks we know and love. There's room for all kinds of jerks in the galaxy.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

They could still be the jerks we know and love. There's room for all kinds of jerks in the galaxy.

Or go to the other extreme where they became extreme socialists who despise capitalism as an ancient barbarity.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Or go to the other extreme where they became extreme socialists who despise capitalism as an ancient barbarity.

The Ferengi are people of extremes.

 

[fireproof78]

Or go to the other extreme where they became extreme socialists who despise capitalism as an ancient barbarity.

And despise the Federation for not going far enough.

 

[Swedish Borg]

And despise the Federation for not going far enough.

Rom replaced the rules of acquisition by the Communist Manifesto... That's not so far-fetched, he quoted in "Bar Association"... "Workers of the world unite...." is from it.

 

[Sci]

Rom replaced the rules of acquisition by the Communist Manifesto... That's not so far-fetched, he quoted in "Bar Association"... "Workers of the world unite...." is from it.

"Captain Burnham, may I present: His Excellency, Lenix, Chairferengi of the Nagidium of the Supreme Board of Directors of the Union of Ferengi Socialist Alliances."

 

[Tuskin38]

Rom replaced the rules of acquisition by the Communist Manifesto... That's not so far-fetched, he quoted in "Bar Association"... "Workers of the world unite...." is from it.

He didn’t seem to understand it thought
All he wanted was better worker rights, not abolish the system completely.

His reforms as Nagus still focused around business.

 

[Swedish Borg]

He didn’t seem to understand it thought
All he wanted was better worker rights, not abolish the system completely.

His reforms as Nagus still focused around business.

He couches it in business lingo but it is basically the same thing.
for example:

A worker strike = A business Opportunity

It's just a change in terminology but semantically it's the same thing.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In what way does "business opportunity" have anything to do with going on strike?

I mean, an opportunity is exactly that: a chance to make money. Nothing to do with striking. Indeed, rather the opposite: workers who are striking can't help the company (or whoever they work for) make money, now can they?

And @Tuskin38 is right: Rom's reforms didn't do away with business or profit or anything like that. Just set down more rights for workers (and employers) to go about doing what they've always done even before Rom came along: making money.

Indeed, the most important legal document in Ferengi society - which has been so, even long before Rom - is called the Bill of Opportunities...

 

[Swedish Borg]

In what way does "business opportunity" have anything to do with going on strike?

I mean, an opportunity is exactly that: a chance to make money. Nothing to do with striking. Indeed, rather the opposite: workers who are striking can't help the company (or whoever they work for) make money, now can they?

And @Tuskin38 is right: Rom's reforms didn't do away with business or profit or anything like that. Just set down more rights for workers (and employers) to go about doing what they've always done even before Rom came along: making money.

Indeed, the most important legal document in Ferengi society - which has been so, even long before Rom - is called the Bill of Opportunities...

I am sorry but Rom's point is well-taken A strike is an opportunity to pressure your boss into giving you more money. You can't get any clearer than that!

 

[Sci]

It is certainly true that so far as we know, Zek's and Rom's canonically-established reforms did not actually end Ferengi capitalism. They can at most be described as a form of Ferengi social-democracy.

But that doesn't mean that their reforms could not have sowed the seeds that grew into full-blown Ferengi socialism later on down the road.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I am sorry but Rom's point is well-taken A strike is an opportunity to pressure your boss into giving you more money.

In a way, I suppose that's true.

But the phrase "business opportunity" implies that it's an opportunity FOR the business. And that's also true. Rom, by helping improve relations between management and workers, can't help but also improve that business' ability to make money, since the better the two sides get along, the less effort is wasted on labor strife.

 

[Swedish Borg]

In a way, I suppose that's true.

But the phrase "business opportunity" implies that it's an opportunity FOR the business. And that's also true. Rom, by helping improve relations between management and workers, can't help but also improve that business' ability to make money, since the better the two sides get along, the less effort is wasted on labor strife.

A man is his own business. In a way, everyone is a businessman, some are much much richer than others though, and sometimes with much less effort.

 

[Lord Garth]

All I can think of in relation to the thread title is: "Just watch. Now they'll have a Ferengi show up in Season 4."

 

[Agony_Boothb]

All I can think of in relation to the thread title is: "Just watch. Now they'll have a Ferengi show up in Season 4."

Me too. We've seen Bajorans and cardassians in season 3 and got the 'ferengi zone' Easter egg on Vance's quadrant map. Season 4 will be the ferengi's time to shine. I hope they do something like portraying the Ferengi as having them fill the void of 'socialist paradise' left by the majority of the Federation.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Me too. We've seen Bajorans and cardassians in season 3 and got the 'ferengi zone' Easter egg on Vance's quadrant map. Season 4 will be the ferengi's time to shine. I hope they do something like portraying the Ferengi as having them fill the void of 'socialist paradise' left by the majority of the Federation.

I think Season four will have Denobulans, augmented Sulibans, the butterfly gobbling dancers, a Xindy aquatic moving around in a tank (equipped with arms and legs) that would be cool!!! Like the big robots in Avatar except with a tank filled with water. I wish I was an adviser!!! Plus one of these guys in Darmok, people would struggle to talk to these people all the time!!! An Organian ( who would keep switching from solid to energy and back all the time...)

 

[Takeru]

Or go to the other extreme where they became extreme socialists who despise capitalism as an ancient barbarity.

Or Star Trek could stop being bad when it comes to writing alien cultures, vulcans are logical, klingons are warriors, bajorans are religious, ferengi are greedy ... that's just bad writing, giving every species one major trait and then running it into the ground is ridiculous.

Inverting that and portraying Klingons ans peace loving hippies and ferengi as generous doesn't make it better when there's no nuance.