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Do you ever cry regarding Star Trek?

The Rock

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And I don't mean a moment in some episode of any of the Trek shows.

I mean crying because one day, humanity will explore the stars just like in Star Trek but we won't be around to see it? It saddens me that we won't get to witness such a thing.

I know this sounds really silly and absurd, but I always have this deep hope that in our lifetimes, we will make first contact with a peaceful alien race who will help us build starships just like in Star Trek and that we will get to experience it for ourselves. But then I also worry that there will be evil aliens who will want to kill us and we will get into an interstellar war, and thinking about that makes me want to cry tears of sadness!
 
I suspect that when we get into interstellar travel it'll soon become apparent that humans will be the evil, war-mongering aliens. As much as I hope that irrefutable proof of alien life will help humanity overcome its shortcomings and start working together for the good of all, it really is the fever dream of mad men. That is what makes me sad for the future.
 
I'm also of the opinion that the only evil aliens that will travel the cosmos will be the ones from Earth. Perhaps 'evil' is pushing it but 'greed' will certainly cause as many problems out there as it's causing down here. I was never a massive fan of Avatar but it's central theme regarding the acquisition of Unobtanium certainly seemed believable.

But, hey, we have to hope because sometimes that's all we've got.
 
We can say what we what about Gene Roddenberry as a person, but he genuinely believed that human beings have the capacity for good and that we could make it to the stars as a force for good. His POV really inspires me.
 
I know this sounds really silly and absurd, but I always have this deep hope that in our lifetimes, we will make first contact with a peaceful alien race who will help us build starships just like in Star Trek and that we will get to experience it for ourselves.

Why would they, though? Said peace-loving aliens probably would be more likely to say: oh, you'll get there, on your own, in time. It's better that you develop harmoniously. Would they be helping us by accelerating our technological know-how tremendously, I would fear they did have some ulterior motives.
 
We know that all life tries to reproduce and spread, from the tiniest virus to the largest whale. It seems unlikely that any alien life wouldn't have the same impulses - because if they didn't, they wouldn't be successful as a lifeform -- same as on earth, natural selection would prevail.

If intelligent life does manage to develop to a point where self-sustaining and replicating space ships can be built without wiping itself out (which for humans should be within 500 years of doing assuming no technology regressions), then within another 200 years they'll have started to colonized neighboring star systems, and in 400 years will have reached to at least 20 light years

If we can survive to a self-sustaining colony on Mars and in asteroid belts, there are few events that would wipe out the species. If the technology is there, the growth is exponential. Certainly once we go interstellar, we should avoid any extinction level event that we know of, even Earth's star going supernova (which it can't) wouldn't be enough.

Without warp drive (or some form of FTL travel), Interstellar wars can't happen, because of the distance and energy/resource use. There's simply no point even if it were possible, but because expansion would be exponential to wherever there is matter and energy, even if attacks were launched from Earth, they wouldn't reach the outer colonies before those had further "reproduced".

Assuming no regression (major wars, cultural problems, supervolcanos, major asteroid impacts etc), but also assuming no massive leaps in technology like warp drive), by 4000AD humans will be occpuying several thousand star systems. In 10,000 light years we'll have spread at least 1000 ly in all directions. In a million years we'll have occupied the entire galaxy. This wouldn't be a single civilisation though, communication out of the solar system with human lifetimes is simply too slow.

Any group capable of intersteller travel is capable of destroying earth (the latter is far easier than the former - it's probably within the reach of some individuals now, let alone governments), so they aren't keeping away from us because we might fire a missile at them.

That there are no spacefaring civilizations mining our asteroid belt suggests that

1) In the period from 13,000 million years ago to about 1 million years ago, no life has managed to evolve far enough to reach self-sustaining spaceflight in our galaxy
2) Life has evolved to that point in the last million years, and just hasn't reached us yet
3) FTL travel is possible, there is a single civilisation that has determined our solar system to be off limits, and manages to enforce that.

(1) is 13,000 times more likely than (2), so we can ignore (2).

(I'm not including life evolving into inactivce ascended beings because there's no real framework to base that on, it would be similar to life not wanting to replicate -- why would all lifeforms evolve in that way? What evolutionary advantage does it have? Even if 99% of life did, the remaining life would quickly expand to fill the void. I'm not including life evolving into active ascended beings either because that's just saying god did it. )

Personally I'd hope for (3), but that still seems massively unlikely, because it still leaves us with the time issue - in Trek pretty much all species, from the Dominion and Borg to the Mintakens and the Hill People, are within a couple thousand years of human development. To have a civilisation that's stable enough across millions of years seems unlikely.

You can try to explain this by the progenitors seeding the galaxy with life at the same time, but that was 4.5 billion years ago. The Klingon homeworld evolving just 0.1% faster than Earth would put Klingons occupying the entire galaxy 3 million years before homo sapiens were a thing.

I have high hopes that we'll get self-sustaining space colonies (Moon, Mars, asteroids, Venus) in the next 40 years. For the first time since the 60s I think there's an outward facing optimism that space can be tackled.
 
I can't believe for a second we'll ever be what we are on Star Trek, so no.

But then I also worry that there will be evil aliens who will want to kill us and we will get into an interstellar war, and thinking about that makes me want to cry tears of sadness!

We're more likely to be the evil aliens than the people attacked by evil aliens - see how we treat literally every other life form on the planet.
 
And I don't mean a moment in some episode of any of the Trek shows.

I mean crying because one day, humanity will explore the stars just like in Star Trek but we won't be around to see it? It saddens me that we won't get to witness such a thing.

I know this sounds really silly and absurd, but I always have this deep hope that in our lifetimes, we will make first contact with a peaceful alien race who will help us build starships just like in Star Trek and that we will get to experience it for ourselves. But then I also worry that there will be evil aliens who will want to kill us and we will get into an interstellar war, and thinking about that makes me want to cry tears of sadness!

Humanity is starting to really get out and into the solar system. Both stages of the first rocket for the Artemis program are in final assembly. Commercial lunar cargo services are coming along. Gateway Station design seems to be finalizing with many international partners. SpaceX is testing and exploding stainless steel interplanetary rocket prototypes with bravado in south Texas. Blue Origin is landing and flying the same capsule occasionally further into Texas, and Virgin is flying their space plane over and over in Mojave and New Mexico, getting closer to the time paying customers will finally be able to go.

It's a great time to see those first steps. After a lot of delays, it is finally happening. So no, I don't cry about it. In fact I am extremely optimistic. I may live to see the first people live permanently off world. There are never going to be starships just like in Star Trek. I hope there will be star ships, but it doesn't bother me that I won't be around to see that phase of humanity's future steps. The ones being taken right now are very impressive.
 
How can you have a name like "The Rock", have an avatar resembling some form of Satan and cry about that?
 
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That there are no spacefaring civilizations mining our asteroid belt suggests that

1) In the period from 13,000 million years ago to about 1 million years ago, no life has managed to evolve far enough to reach self-sustaining spaceflight in our galaxy
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There's also the theory that the universe is still developing to become more conducive to life, that there will be many more intelligent species in the future, and that we're just a precociously early one to emerge, with millions of years of a head start on anyone else. In that case it would probably fall to us to colonize the entire galaxy in due time, rule it for a long time, and then either die out for some reason, or ascend, or become a reclusive 'elder' species satisfied with living on a few planets that no one else dares to approach. We'll be known as the Precursors, or the Ancients of Terra /Sol , or some such name, and held in an almost mystical esteem by most younger races. We'll most likely carelessly litter the galaxy with mysterious artifacts that wield terrible power but with purposes unclear. If we survive, in our rare instances of contacts with younger species we'll probably just make patronizing or enigmatic remarks that are no help to them whatsoever but in the end still turn out to be remarkably prescient.

In short, we're bound to become a bunch of real jerks in that case.
 
I know this sounds really silly and absurd

It's neither silly not absurd. Don't call your feelings "silly" or "absurd". If anything you sound passionate about the idea of space exploration and being passionate about things is often a good thing. It's what drives people.

Personally I haven't cried about it (though I have and do cry about lots of other things) but I can understand the feeling and I will say that I get wistful when thinking about the possibility of the colonization of other, living planets.
Going where no human has been before...finding a beautiful virgin country (something no human has really seen in thousands of years) and starting a new life there in boundless lands that have never seen a human before.
That's a very romantic idea that makes me very wistful, tears on my heartstrings and makes me wish that it would be a possibility for me.
Like just imagine if Mars and Venus were living planets with oceans and plants and animals that don't have any sapient civilizations on them (so nobody to rob of the land) how amazing would it be to go there?

And well, you never know what might happen within your lifetime. Even the most unlikely of things still have a certain chance to happen (people win lotto jackpots all the time, for example)
Maybe tomorrow some alien civilization takes up contact with us, maybe we will still find out whether there's primitive life under the ice of Europa within our lifetimes. You never know.

Of course another thing would be to put that passion into creative work, ever tried that?
 
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How can you have a name like "The Rock", have an avatar resembling some form of Satan and cry about that?
It's not. Pretty sure it's a bull avatar which the Rock wrestler used as part of his logo. Also, Satan is traditionally depicted with a goat's head, not a bull.

Like just imagine if Mars and Venus were living planets with oceans and plants and animals that don't have any sapient civilizations on them (so nobody to rob of the land) how amazing would it be to go there?
This is more my feeling. I grew up reading Heinlein and imaging Venus as a swampy world was part of my daily artistic endeavors while avoiding school work. Imagine my disappointment when reading about the Mariner mission to Venus and what it had discovered of Venus' topography. At the same time it inspired me to research more about the planet. And I still am fascinated by the planet.

To the OP, no I do not cry over missing it. The more I research about space travel the more it doesn't sound like it is for me. So, I focus on where I can make a difference with whom I can and hope that humanity will continue to learn and grow.
 
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