It still makes me sad that Shatner and Nimoy were estranged when Nimoy died?

Exactly. The man is allowed to set boundaries.

 

Count me as one of those young boys watching. I was pretty athletic when I was a kid and I found it easy to lern the shoulder roll. Came in handy when I had to take some wrestling in junior high school. Got out of having to do wrestling as soon as I could, I was a track and field and gymnastics guy, I even held the record in my junior high school for the broad jump for a while.

One time in the same school after classes were over, I was running at top speed to catch my bus that was about to pull away when a classmate of mine stuck his foot out and tripped me, boy I must have flown twenty feet.

It sounds corny but it's true, this happened on hard concrete pavement and I could've been hurt bad but thanks to the 'Shatner' shoulder roll, I hardly got a scratch when I landed. In fact, I was boiling mad so using the same motion, I was back on my feet in a flash and running straight back at the guy who tripped me, intent on punching his lights out.

I still remember the look on the guy's face when he saw me coming back at him so fast before he took off running. By the time I caught him though, I had cooled off so I ended up not punching him after all.

Robert

 

When you have a long friendship that has its ups and downs...you sort of assume that you'll make it up later.

From what I recall, Nimoys health took a fairly quick dive.

 

Major health problems can have an impact on the brain, which relies on body systems for oxygen, fuel, and sanitation. Throw in depression or age-related cognitive decline, and Nimoy might not have been playing with a full deck when he shunned Shatner. It's possible that Nimoy's condition played a bigger role than Shatner's behavior, that Nimoy just wasn't himself toward the end.

 

It’s really heartening to read how many young people learned the Shatner roll.

 

I just hope young people aren't trying to practice moves from modern Trek. Those are a lot more violent than TOS was...

 

I'm a teacher and I often practice the Picard manoeuvre at work.

 

I read somewhere that Mulgrew was basically casually cruel to Ryan throughout Voyager (similar to what, say, Joss Whedon is currently being accused of) and even tried to get Jeri fired for no reason at all. Jeri must have a superhuman patience and willingness to forgive, considering they've supposedly patched things up, because I just would not be able to let things like that slide I don't think.

I've read a lot about Shatner but I've never heard about him doing anything remotely close to what Mulgrew is said to have done. I don't know why he often gets the blame for his castmembers not liking him, in light of comparisons to situations like this to be honest.

 

"Jeri is not allowed to use the bathroom during the day! Getting her in and out of that costume holds up production!"
"Umm, sorry Kate, she has the right to pee."

 

That's gotta be gossip. I don't usually get into what the actors are all about, but I've seen them at reunions and they are fine with one another.

 

Wow, I thought we were talking about Star Trek. You guys are celebrity boot lickers LOL. what is this crap getting into their personal lives? Let's stick to the writing

 

I see where you're coming from, but these are things that the actors have stated publicly. They themselves were the ones that opened up about it. Shatner was the one who announced Nimoy cut him off. Jeri didn't identify Mulgrew when she revealed her stories, but it wasn't hard to figure out it was her. It's not like we're discussing things the actors involved didn't publicly state and didn't understand would be known.

It would be a different story if we hacked into Shatner's computer for example, then started sharing stuff he never said. Not only is that horrific, it's also criminal and illegal. But we're not saying anything that the people involved didn't already share with fans.

 

It is intriguing to learn about this Jeri-Mulgrew bathroom bullying deal.Jeri brought it up in a covid style reunion with the full cast as something she didn't like about the character, but I didn't see any animosity between the two of them... I guess I get it from the perspective that we would like to see more shows and content from them. I guess if they aren't getting along personally, then they might not act together..which proves that they are crummy actors but none of that batch were, so I can see them putting their personal differences aside to make some $$

 

Except Mulgrew owned up to it and she and Ryan made peace.

 

Mulgrew is likely the unintentional beneficiary of some sort of bias which protects her; you are correct--Shatner did not abuse his co-stars, but Mulgrew's treatment of Ryan is a matter of record, yet you do not see endless articles and interviews damning her for being--frankly--a piece of shit, and a jealous one at that. So, one must wonder if Mulgrew essentially skating by what should have been well-deserved public lambasting had something to do with external factors, since it was clear she was one of the most abusive ST cast members in franchise history.

Perhaps the fact that next to no one cares about Voyager has given Mulgrew undeserved cover.

 

Conventions are fan shows. They may have come to terms to the point where they can be civil to each other when they're doing a show. It's called acting for a reason.

 

That Voyager documentary fundraiser is smashing it's targets, apparently people do care.

 

Of the Trek properties that generate the most interest, where does it rest? Look at the ST productions post Berman era: the JJ movies Warped back to TOS content because its the face of / most popular chapter in the franchise, DISC (like ENT before it) is supposed to be a prequel, yet its always referring to, or attempting to rewrite elements from TOS, and Picard? TNG with Ryan tossed in (and yes, its likely for some of the reasons that pissed off Mulgrew), but who can say Paramount and/or CBS has sensed some groundswell of public interest in VOY returning?

 

can totally relate to that: once the shoulder roll is ingrained in you you just do it automatically.

I once fell from a wall as a kid, two meters high, on concrete...Shoulder roll and I got up with only a few bruises.

Even worse, while horseriding, the saddle had been badly secured and I suddenly found myself under the horse while trotting...I didn’t even realize doing it but I just rolled and ended up standing.

Can’t credit shatner for me, though: I’ve been practicing aikido since I was 6 so I learned the roll (Mae ukemi) early on. I do wonder where he learnt it, especially as it’s one of the few legit moves of Kirk-fu.