Cowardice implies pressure.
Forces pushing him away from doing the right thing.
Rick just didn't want'a.
Forces pushing him away from doing the right thing.
Rick just didn't want'a.
Was a Rick Berman a bad choice to run the Star Trek Franchise after Gene Roddenberry died?
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No, you can be a coward because nobody expects you to do something but you're just too scared to do it anyways.
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A dozen episodes after Tara and Willow started Smashing?
My point was that the network laid down some rules, and eventually Joss said "Your rules can suck it."
Or you know, he incrementally pushed at his boundaries slowly until he could tell his story without consequences.
Claiming it couldn’t get on television is bullshit. Sitcoms had gay characters as early as the 70s.
It was increasingly common in the 80s and 90s.
Star Trek not having gay characters or themes until 2017 is a failure and Berman is solely to blame. The writers have mentioned this for years. He got the final say and he just didn’t want it on the show.
It was increasingly common in the 80s and 90s.
Star Trek not having gay characters or themes until 2017 is a failure and Berman is solely to blame. The writers have mentioned this for years. He got the final say and he just didn’t want it on the show.
Berman was not solely to blame.
Everything you saw of Trek from 1989 on until the end of Enterprise was far more reflective of Berman and Paramount managemmanagrment than of Gene Roddenberry - or any other individual, for that matter. Parse that in any way that supports your biases.
Everything you saw of Trek from 1989 on until the end of Enterprise was far more reflective of Berman and Paramount managemmanagrment than of Gene Roddenberry - or any other individual, for that matter. Parse that in any way that supports your biases.
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I watched bits and pieces of the video and it seemed to be all "Every bad decision was Berman, every good decision was someone else" stuff.
I love how you guys totally ignore the parts where Terry Farrell accused him of sexual harassment and workplace retaliation.
I'm sorry, but how you treat your employees outweighs everything else. If you verbally abuse your employees, and sexually harass them, and engage in workplace retaliation against them, then you're a piece of shit who was a bad choice to run the show. Period. Berman should not have been there.
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The fact that Braga dated his employee Jeri Ryan during his tenure as VOY showrunner has me kind of suspicious about what kind of workplace environment he was creating. That kind of thing almost always creates a hostile work environment for women.
Pretty sure they were already together when she joined Voyager?
1984.
The lead character was gay.
They could have gay characters.
But they couldn't talk about straight sex without sweeping metaphors.
I just watched an episode of Caroline in the City (1993?) where they made a Caroline and the City Cereal, but the fluff wheat pieces looked like Vaginas, but they were not allowed to say Vagina in their time slot. No slots in that slot. Ten clumsly metaphors or awkward descriptions because they couldn't even say "pussy" just once.
I watched Brothers when I was a kid. Even as a child in the Reagan '80s I saw gay lead characters on popular shows.
They were largely restricted to pay cable back then but they existed.
They were largely restricted to pay cable back then but they existed.
Mulgrew herself has admitted that she did this. Sadly, though, that doesn't mean someone else wasn't treating Ryan badly as well.
Even in 1988, a SF novel like "The Gate To Women's Country" hailed by some as a milestone in feminist science fiction, doesn't age well at all now when you come across a throwaway paragraph that flat out stated that gay and lesbian people no longer existed as it was a hormonal problem that could be corrected before birth. She wiped out an entire group of people with a few keystrokes as a genetic flaw. And yet as late as 2015, the writer, Tepper, got the World Fantasy Association Lifetime Achievement Award, putting her on par with names like Le Guin, Bradbury and Ellison.
Most of us did some things, said some things, or made wrong decisions in that time period. I know I did. I can't actually REMEMBER the 90's very well, so I'm pretty sure of that.
Thinking is different now, but that doesn't excuse some of the things that happened then. An editor could have told Tepper, "this paragraph has to go." It wasn't intrinsive to her novel, though she had managed to build an entire Earth based on strict gender roles and dodged the entire matter like playing with the net down. Berman for his part could have fought the studios for a little leverage.
Most of us did some things, said some things, or made wrong decisions in that time period. I know I did. I can't actually REMEMBER the 90's very well, so I'm pretty sure of that.
Thinking is different now, but that doesn't excuse some of the things that happened then. An editor could have told Tepper, "this paragraph has to go." It wasn't intrinsive to her novel, though she had managed to build an entire Earth based on strict gender roles and dodged the entire matter like playing with the net down. Berman for his part could have fought the studios for a little leverage.
No, she was married to Jack Ryan until 1999. She joined Voyager in 1997.
Especially true regarding gay people, especially gay men, during the AIDS crisis. They were regarded very much then as a person who refused to wear a mask indoors would be today.
The HR policy was probably date and tell.
Everyone signs a disclosure statement that at the time they called a love contract.
Or you know, since he couldn't fire himself, so Brannon just had a good time until it was time pay the woman off to shut up.
Whoa, easy there. At no point is my post dismissal of Berman's treatment of Terry Farrell or any other actress who worked on Trek during his era. I was simply responding to an OP which was basically just "Here's a video, watch and discuss." Having not watched the video (and I still haven't) I assumed it was just more bitching about how Berman is a hack who disregarded Gene's Vision and destroyed the franchise which has been going on for all twenty years I've been on this forum. I was being dismissive to a post being just a glorified link to a YouTube video rather than an earnest attempt at starting a discussion.
Besides, that post was made a year ago.
Aside from the questionable judgement call of dating a woman while he was her boss, I've never seen any reason to believe there was anything inappropriate going on between Braga and Jeri Ryan during their relationship.
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