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Why the hate for Disco?

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85% of the critiques online are about it being "different" or not "Trek", neither of which are even valid criticisms to be allowed into argument (in fact these are a strength), so I dimiss them out of hand. It's only if someone has a criticism other than that that I even bother paying attention.

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That wasn't the aim of my post, it was more to find out why others did not enjoy it as I did. What were their thoughts on it that made it unenjoyable/unwatchable. To see what perhaps I have missed.


I am not a hater but I have disliked many episodes. Since you seem to want to know I will say that the biggest problem I have had is the writing. I think its a poorly written show. Till season 3 I didn't like Michael at all. This pissed me off since she is a very good actress and one of my favs from walking dead.

It started with the pilot. I hated the "logic" of her mutiny. I didn't find it logical at all that a character that had served with her captain for years would conduct a mutiny. I hated what they did to the Klingons with the look. That Tukovma character could barely speak he had so much layers of face prosthetics on. I was laughing out loud.

Season One was hit or miss. I LOVED Lorca as a captain. Such a great actor and such a tortured soul. I hated that you had so many of the bridge officers as just ornaments. We didn't even know their names. I didn't enjoy the mirror universe in season one at all. Just wasn't well written and paced imo. I hated how the Klingon war ended so quickly also and found the stories around "mother" to be weak, poorly written.

Season two I thought got off to a good start. The episode where they found that town and the church that was transported I enjoyed that. I liked Pike. Michael's character became ever more unlikeable. She never followed orders and always just did as she pleased. Also the constant hero worship for her rubbed me the wrong way. I enjoy an ensemble cast where different characters are the hero depending on the episode. It sometimes seemed that Jet Reno was in a scene just so she can shower Michael with a compliment.

Later on Season 2 went down the tubes. I didn't enjoy the Control story and liked less and less the red angel stuff. The final battle turned the Enterprise into an aircraft carrier with hundreds of fighters. What? Also why did the ship have to go through the vortex when control was defeated? You mean they couldn't just stop the ship while they decided what to do?

Season 3 got off to the best start yet. I felt the show had turned around in my eyes but season 3 fell off a cliff for me as well at around the half way point. The explanation for the Burn didn't cut it for me. Technobabble is fine, but I don't like they way they do it on Discovery. Give me a science based reason I can accept. The idea that the magic child can blow up warp drives all over the place when he gets emotional didn't register. I thought the mirror universe episodes were again weak and kind of boring. I had issues with the Vulcan episode. Why did we need her mother there? It just felt so forced. They don't even know each other. One of her crewmates would have been a better choice for an advocate. The turbo lift scenes in the final episode were so terrible. I was like WTF?

Another thing that gets me is the way they sometimes introduced something and then just dropped it. The little robots were a good example from the end of season 3. They were introduced just to become cannon fodder? No depth. Stuff like that, and I could easily mention 2 dozen more examples both big and small from the first 3 seasons.

I will give season 4 a shot to win me over again
 
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I will give season 4 a shot to win me over again
After reading all that I can't imagine it will. Season 3 was the one chance to be that consistent presentation and it did so but even that wasn't sufficient, especially with the Burn for many. I would say drop it like a bad habit.
 
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After reading all that I can't imagine it will. Season 3 was the one chance to be that consistent presentation and it did so but even that wasn't sufficient, especially with the Burn for many. I would say drop it like a bad habit.

Were it anything else I would but Star Trek overall means too much to me. There was a time in my life when Trek helped keep me alive. Its hard to go into here.

That's why I alway give it a chance
 
Were it anything else I would but Star Trek overall means too much to me
To not watch something that makes no sense to you??? I try my best to understand this point of view but, while I value Star Trek, its importance to me will not keep me coming back if it is not enjoyable. It's not like Discovery will mean the end of Star Trek's meaning to you. Or maybe I'm being too logical.
 
To not watch something that makes no sense to you??? I try my best to understand this point of view but, while I value Star Trek, its importance to me will not keep me coming back if it is not enjoyable. It's not like Discovery will mean the end of Star Trek's meaning to you. Or maybe I'm being too logical.

That's just it you are using logic but this is all emotion for me. I guess it sounds pathetic I know
 
That's just it you are using logic but this is all emotion for me
Even with my passionate understanding of Star Trek I struggle to watch something actively distasteful.

Apologies. This isn't meant in any rude way. I am genuinely confused.
 
Even with my passionate understanding of Star Trek I struggle to watch something actively distasteful.

Well even with all my critiques I did like some of it. Enough to see where it leads. I will watch every episode of anything Trek out there. Except probably the little kid one coming soon because its too kiddie for my tastes. When I dislike something Trek related it more effects my re-watch than the 1st run.



I wanted to ask you...Do you agree with some of what I said?
 
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I am not a hater but I have disliked many episodes. Since you seem to want to know I will say that the biggest problem I have had is the writing. I think its a poorly written show. Till season 3 I didn't like Michael at all. This pissed me off since she is a very good actress and one of my favs from walking dead.

It started with the pilot. I hated the "logic" of her mutiny. I didn't find it logical at all that a character that had served with her captain for years would conduct a mutiny. I hated what they did to the Klingons with the look. That Tukovma character could barely speak he had so much layers of face prosthetics on. I was laughing out loud.

Season One was hit or miss. I LOVED Lorca as a captain. Such a great actor and such a tortured soul. I hated that you had so many of the bridge officers as just ornaments. We didn't even know their names. I didn't enjoy the mirror universe in season one at all. Just wasn't well written and paced imo. I hated how the Klingon war ended so quickly also and found the stories around "mother" to be weak, poorly written.

Season two I thought got off to a good start. The episode where they found that town and the church that was transported I enjoyed that. I liked Pike. Michael's character became ever more unlikeable. She never followed orders and always just did as she pleased. Also the constant hero worship for her rubbed me the wrong way. I enjoy an ensemble cast where different characters are the hero depending on the episode. It sometimes seemed that Jet Reno was in a scene just so she can shower Michael with a compliment.

Later on Season 2 went down the tubes. I didn't enjoy the Control story and liked less and less the red angel stuff. The final battle turned the Enterprise into an aircraft carrier with hundreds of fighters. What? Also why did the ship have to go through the vortex when control was defeated? You mean they couldn't just stop the ship while they decided what to do?

Season 3 got off to the best start yet. I felt the show had turned around in my eyes but season 3 fell off a cliff for me as well at around the half way point. The explanation for the Burn didn't cut it for me. Technobabble is fine, but I don't like they way they do it on Discovery. Give me a science based reason I can accept. The idea that the magic child can blow up warp drives all over the place when he gets emotional didn't register. I thought the mirror universe episodes were again weak and kind of boring. I had issues with the Vulcan episode. Why did we need her mother there? It just felt so forced. They don't even know each other. One of her crewmates would have been a better choice for an advocate. The turbo lift scenes in the final episode were so terrible. I was like WTF?

Another thing that gets me is the way they sometimes introduced something and then just dropped it. The little robots were a good example from the end of season 3. They were introduced just to become cannon fodder? No depth. Stuff like that, and I could easily mention 2 dozen more examples both big and small from the first 3 seasons.

I will give season 4 a shot to win me over again
Almost all of this is like you read my mind especially the church episode which is definitely my favorite in all Discovery.

My one change would be that I didn't have an issue with the cause of the burn but hate that it took Michael Burnham to solve it after 150 years of no one else trying or being able to
 
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Almost all of this is like you read my mind especially the church episode which is definitely my favorite in all Discovery.

My one change would be that I didn't have an issue with the cause of the burn but hate that it took Michael Burnham to solve it after 150 years of no one else trying or being able to

Your one change is another thing that I thought of also. They made a big deal about the "music" well how come nobody gave it a thought or heard this earlier? They started to make it seem like some powerful unseen entity was behind it all and wiped all their memories or something only for it to be a kid haunted by the creatrure from the movie House on Haunted Hill
 
even with all my critiques I did like some of it. Enough to see where it leads. I will watch every episode of anything Trek out there. Except probably the little kid one coming soon because its too kiddie for my tastes. When I dislike something Trek related it more effects my re-watch than the 1st run.
Again get out of my brain.
I would add that I keep going with Discovery also due to a lack of any good tv during airing except the Expanse. I gave up on Enterprise pretty quick but back then there were loads of good shows and we were not in lockdown
 
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Your one change is another thing that I thought of also. They made a big deal about the "music" well how come nobody gave it a thought or heard this earlier? They started to make it seem like some powerful unseen entity was behind it all and wiped all their memories or something only for it to be a kid haunted by the creatrure from the movie House on Haunted Hill
Why did the holosuite make that creature again ? All the others were helpful ones programmed by his mother
 
Why did the holosuite make that creature again ? All the others were helpful ones programmed by his mother

because like any good mother she wanted to help her son conquer his fears by traumatizing the fuck out of him. I mean, I’m a grown man and if I saw that monster I would probably shit my pants. Hope they have a good therapist on Kaminar....
 
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I honestly do not. It took a lot to not just argue because I followed the logic of the story pretty well.

I understand. I am glad you can get good enjoyment out of it. I sometimes do and sometimes don't.

I don't want me to poison anybody's enjoyment they have of the show even by 1%. I honestly almost didn't even post how I felt due to that.
 
I understand. I am glad you can get good enjoyment out of it. I sometimes do and sometimes don't.

I don't want me to poison anybody's enjoyment they have of the show even by 1%. I honestly almost didn't even post how I felt due to that.
I don't mind you posting. Reading it actually helped because it reminded me of stuff that I liked. So I found value in what you post. :techman:
 
Most people don't like Disco for the simple reason that it is a serial series instead of each episode being in a different location and solving a different problem.

Disco is too centered on Burnham in my opinion as she runs around being the Captain and Red Angel.

Trek never has been about one person solving every single problem but solving the problem as a functional team, but it seems like in Disco that is what is happening, the crew isn't vert functional at all unless Burnham comes to the rescue.
 
DSC is not like other Trek nor should it try to be. It was set out from the very beginning as different than past Treks, with a focus on one character's personal journey.

Expecting more of the same from past Trek is all well and good but when a show sets out to be different then complaining it is different is rather pointless. It was as described on the box.
 
DSC is not like other Trek nor should it try to be. It was set out from the very beginning as different than past Treks, with a focus on one character's personal journey.

Expecting more of the same from past Trek is all well and good but when a show sets out to be different then complaining it is different is rather pointless. It was as described on the box.

Agreed. It’s a fantastic idea for a serialized show in the streaming age. I think they made a mistake giving Burnham such a convoluted and unrelatable backstory, but I think the “personal journey” idea is sound.
 
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