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Starship design history in light of Discovery

Was it ever stated from an official source that the ship was supposed to camouflage as a D7 other than a rumor? Because the Klingons didn’t even have D7s at the start of the show. And the design itself was based on the McQuarrie ship for Planet of the Titans anyway, so it’s not like the ship was intentionally designed to mimic a D7 in ‘real life.’
 
Well, that's what the Eaglemoss material directly states, supposedly based on interviews of Eaves.

The Klingons losing their default D7s in favor of the Warhammer 40,000 fleet would appear to postdate the creation of the hero ship, and the departure of Fuller...

Eaves was the one to point out how the McQuarrie ship is nicely related to the Valkyrie bomber aesthetically; bending the wingtips down would have been a good move in refining the McQuarrie shape. But perhaps Fuller then saw the slight resemblance to D7 in the nacelles-down sketch and went on from there (and off the deep end)? It's difficult to see it working the other way around.

Timo Saloniemi
 
What I meant was if the information in the EM book was just based on a rumor, or did they have a source? The pic above doesn’t give that info.
 
These leaflets never really specify their sources. But nothing in the original text suggests this would have been in any way speculative. Instead, it goes to quite a bit of specificity on how the effect was going to be achieved, which is the role of Eaves there - and the material would naturally come from Eaves rather than from Fuller.

To quote the relevant page, just before the one visible above:

"After viewing Eaves' first round of sketches, Fuller added a critical requirement: [no round nacelles, yadda yadda]. Fuller reveals that there was a very good reason behind this request: later in the series, Lorca's ship was going to disguise itself. 'Discovery needed to be able to jettison its saucer section and transform itself so that it could pose as a Klingon D-7 battle cruiser. That's why we didn't want to have round nacelles. It was going to be used to infiltrate Klingon space.' "

The rest is visible on the page shown above. Emphasis mine. Also on the inner quotation marks: the statement is indicated to be a direct Fuller quote, FWIW. (But perhaps it's an Eaves quote instead?)

Timo Saloniemi
 
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Again, I’m not sure why that function would have been inherently built into a Crossfield class ship, unless the class was built after the Battle of the Binary Stars. I’m also not sure why all the other ships that weren’t Crossfield class ships all had square nacelles (especially the older classes) since they weren’t going to infiltrate Klingon space.
 
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Dukhat said:
What I meant was if the information in the EM book was just based on a rumor, or did they have a source? The pic above doesn’t give that info.
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In the magazine accompanying the XL Discovery,
Eaves describes at length the months-long design process. This includes making the saucer and rest of the ship look good separated. Plan was to take the ship into Klingon space, looking Klingon, and leave the saucer as a mini-starbase/space station.
 
Markonian said:
In the magazine accompanying the XL Discovery,
Eaves describes at length the months-long design process. This includes making the saucer and rest of the ship look good separated. Plan was to take the ship into Klingon space, looking Klingon, and leave the saucer as a mini-starbase/space station.
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Thanks for the info!
 
...Complete with giving the detached outer ring of the saucer a spin for centrifugal gravity! Oh, what depraved ideas! We would probably still be debating the design of the hero ship after these four years had something that insane been done. :devil:

While the text doesn't tell enough of the story to give us good clues, the model where the ship was specifically built to become a fake Klingon one seems the most logical. However, why not build a real D-7 in that case?

Dramatically, the most appealing model instead is the one where Lorca figures out that, by sheer chance, his ship out of all in the Fleet happens to be capable of this harebrained maneuver, with just a bit of cutting and pasting and painting and, hopefully, emitting of false signals and warp signatures and whatnot. But since we don't know squat about Fuller's Lorca, or Fuller's Klingon war, the actual story logic might be completely different.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Has anyone seen any technical diagram's of Discovery's interior? Not sure if there's such a thing as the Discovery Technical Manual (they had one for DS9 and TNG). I assume this would be pretty easy to draw, just start with the ship's outline, label most of the interior space "turboshafts" and put in little microscopic dots for everything else.
 
nic3636 said:
Has anyone seen any technical diagram's of Discovery's interior? Not sure if there's such a thing as the Discovery Technical Manual (they had one for DS9 and TNG). I assume this would be pretty easy to draw, just start with the ship's outline, label most of the interior space "turboshafts" and put in little microscopic dots for everything else.
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There’s a cross section in the Season 1-2 art book
https://twitter.com/Captain_Revo/status/1330249231567876100
 
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Anonskekwkksksbxjw said:
It bothered me how the internal sets stayed the same after a 900 year catch up refit. Also I want to see those Ni’var ships get refit like the Discovery did. Something that bothered me was how the Excelsiors appeared in TNG without being refit. After a ton of digging I found fanart of a 2370s style excelsior refit

https://www.deviantart.com/quantum808/art/U-S-S-Nexcelsior-24th-Century-706304465

U-S-S-Nexcelsior-24th-Century-706304465
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That’s pretty sweet.

They were designed to be fast, so didn’t need a lot of refits.

Warhammer Klingons? I was thinking they were Wraith hybrids;)
 
^ The second one is the best angle for her tho. You can't see that row of lights/windows on the top of the saucer and you can't see the angled pylons. Those are the only two things that ever really bothered me, though not that bovvered.
 
I would have liked a Kelvin-prise

USS Jupiter, Jovia-class, by Jet-freak for someone who calls himself Seek Him is a good version
 
Nah, the print is just too small for them to show up.

If I had gotten the 9 or 12 inch they probably would have been visible.
 
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