Why the hate for Disco?

[Lord Garth]

It's got to be habit.

It's no longer Pre-TOS.
They went ahead, actually made Burnham the Captain, and got it over with.
There are no more Klingons.
There's no Section 31, at least not in the third season.
Tyler's gone.
Georgiou's off the show.
The Spore Drive was swept under the rug in the 23rd Century.
Pike has his own series now.

Everything they were complaining about has been addressed or dealt with. I think, and they won't dare admit this, they're just going through the motions just for the sake of going through the motions.

 

[fireproof78]

Everything they were complaining about has been addressed or dealt with. I think, and they won't dare admit this, they're just going through the motions just for the sake of going through the motions.

Hatred is a hard habit to break. Also, they are still angry at Kurtzman and Discovery is a convenient way to keep nailing him to the proverbial cross over and over again.

 

[HugeLobes]

Everything they were complaining about has been addressed or dealt with. I think, and they won't dare admit this, they're just going through the motions just for the sake of going through the motions.

Hatred is a hard habit to break. Also, they are still angry at Kurtzman and Discovery is a convenient way to keep nailing him to the proverbial cross over and over again.

Or maybe they just don't like it. Sorry if this is a shocking idea.

 

[Lord Garth]

Or maybe they just don't like it. Sorry if this is a shocking idea.

There's a difference between "just don't like it" and "actively hate it". Guess what? I didn't like ENT. I didn't act like these people do. I knew when it was time to gracefully bow out.

Granted, I was different. A lot of people who didn't like ENT didn't do what I did.

 

[HugeLobes]

There's a difference between "just don't like it" and "actively hate it". Guess what? I didn't like ENT. I didn't act like these people do.

Sure, a few people are very vitriolic in their dislike, but mostly when people say they 'hate Discovery' they're not really saying it in the same way they might 'hate facism'. Also, that really pronounced hatred is really just the most vocal group.

And even if it is the most active hate, maybe that is because people genuinely don't like the show?

 

[fireproof78]

Or maybe they just don't like it. Sorry if this is a shocking idea.

Perhaps I'm quite ignorant or naive but if I actively hate something (a word I shutter to use with a show but here we are) then I don't keep talking about how much I hate it.

I have no doubt people genuinely dislike the show. But, why keep talking about it if you don't like it? It's like being a sports fan and constantly talking about the team you hate. It's strange, to say the least. Is it just a desire to be heard, to air grievances, as it were?

 

[HugeLobes]

I have no doubt people genuinely dislike the show. But, why keep talking about it if you don't like it? It's like being a sports fan and constantly talking about the team you hate. It's strange, to say the least. Is it just a desire to be heard, to air grievances, as it were?

Because people like discussing things, even if they don't like them? Doesn't seem any less valid than talking about why we like things.

 

[fireproof78]

Because people like discussing things, even if they don't like them? Doesn't seem any less valid than talking about why we like things.

Did I say it was less valid? Because that was neither the intent nor the implication in my line of thinking. Rather, if one has stated their grievances then is it helpful to continue discussing it after it? Or to continue subjecting oneself to people who do enjoy the show when their enjoyment may seem quite out of line with personal opinion?

Honest to goodness, I just want people to enjoy themselves and spending time discussing a show that is actively disliked strikes me as the exact opposite.

 

[HugeLobes]

Did I say it was less valid? Because that was neither the intent nor the implication in my line of thinking. Rather, if one has stated their grievances then is it helpful to continue discussing it after it? Or to continue subjecting oneself to people who do enjoy the show when their enjoyment may seem quite out of line with personal opinion?

See, this makes it sound a lot like you are saying it’s less valid.

 

[fireproof78]

See, this makes it sound a lot like you are saying it’s less valid.

No, it's perfectly valid; just confusing as to me to remain discussing a show actively disliked. So, I guess agree to disagree and I'll just wander off, muttering to myself in confusion.

ETA: To put my confusion in to visual form I pretty much feel like disliking something and then coming back for more:

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

I hate it. More? Please...

 

[HugeLobes]

No, it's perfectly valid; just confusing as to me to remain discussing a show actively disliked. So, I guess agree to disagree and I'll just wander off, muttering to myself in confusion.

People care about Star Trek. It’s not like talking about a sports team you hate. It’s like talking about a team you support making decisions you don’t like. People are already invested in this franchise, so of course they’re going to discuss it. Gotta say I sure hope the people who dislike what I like don’t stop wanting to talk about it. I’m sure not going to say they’re just hating for the sake of hating.

 

[fireproof78]

People care about Star Trek. It’s not like talking about a sports team you hate. It’s like talking about a team you support making decisions you don’t like. People are already invested in this franchise, so of course they’re going to discuss it. Gotta say I sure hope the people who dislike what I like don’t stop wanting to talk about it. I’m sure not going to say they’re just hating for the sake of hating.

Star Trek isn't one monolithic thing though. Investment in the franchise doesn't mean signing on for everything.

As for the rest I didn't follow word one of the rest of your post so cheers.

 

[HugeLobes]

Star Trek isn't one monolithic thing though. Investment in the franchise doesn't mean signing on for everything.

As for the rest I didn't follow word one of the rest of your post so cheers.

But it’s all part of the same franchise, and that’s why people care about it and want to discuss it.

Not sure how I could make the rest any clearer, but you clearly want to move on.

 

[Lord Garth]

Beg pardon yer lordship, but y'all ain't new 'round the internets are ye?

Yeah, I know what you're saying. And I understand it. But this isn't 1996. "It's the Internet!" stopped being a thing to me when all of a sudden my father and members of the older generation of my extended family were on social media. It's not a separate thing from the Outside World anymore. These days, I think people just use "Because it's the Internet!" as an excuse for whatever they do. The novelty of "It's the Internet!" is gone. At least in my opinion.

I used to go online to get away from the Outside World. Now I go offline to get away from the Outside World. So once again, like with the specific complaints about Discovery, time has simply changed the nature of how much sense things actually still make.

 

[fireproof78]

But it’s all part of the same franchise, and that’s why people care about it and want to discuss it.

Not sure how I could make the rest any clearer, but you clearly want to move on.

No, I don't want to move on. I simply don't want to sound like a dunce and go "Huh?" So I try to be polite.

As for discussing the franchise, i guess I just have a different view of Star Trek (and other franchises) as one monolithic piece that demands all of my attention. If it's an installment that I don't like then it might as well not exist in the franchise. Simplistic, perhaps, but the sheer amount of arguments I had with friends over TOS vs. TNG was exhausting, pure and simple. Didn't make for good friendships after a time. So, I personally think finding things to enjoy is more important that holding one's nose and sticking with unlikable parts.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. And I understand it. But this isn't 1996. "It's the Internet!" stopped being a thing to me when all of a sudden my father and members of my extended family were on social media. These days, I think people just use "Because it's the Internet!" as an excuse for whatever they do. The novelty of "It's the Internet!" is gone. At least in my opinion.

What the Internet does is remove the human part. It dehumanizes responses, separates people from the consequences. "It's the Internet" isn't the excuse that it sounds like. It simply reinforces a common enough strategy of human discussion.

 

[johnjm22]

Everything they were complaining about has been addressed or dealt with.

This is part of the problem.

 

[donners22]

A thought just occurred to me: the hate for Disco made more sense when it was the only game in town. Now that Picard and Lower Decks are around, and soon Strange New Worlds, why are they still fixated on Discovery?

Picard got plenty of hate when it aired. I think it's just gone off the radar due to the passage of time since it aired and the small number of episodes which are out.

However, what I do hate is all this crap about people disliking Disco because:

1. They're bigots.
2. They get triggered over the slightest change.

Not that these can't be factors, but it is also possible that people genuinely just don't enjoy the show. Also remember seeing a lot of this when The Last Jedi got such dislike.

If those were put as exclusive reasons, ie that there were no other reasons for disliking those show, then that would indeed be crap. No person could sensibly make such an argument.

However, they absolutely do explain some of the dislike. There were racist comments regarding the casting of the lead before the show even aired, and outright bigotry has persisted throughout. To quote from eight of the first 31 IMDb reviews of S3E4:

This episode they (finally) put trasngender, I'm sure leftist on twitter will be thrilled with it. While show is worse from episode to episode, at least they are getting their woke points

When you focus of being so inclusive, you lose the plot.

Romance was never part of the main storylines in Star Trek, it was never of significant importance either, but in Star Trek Discovery there were quite a few episodes dedicated to gay romance, while this particular episode is dedicated to Transgener romance

When every episode has to promote a political, social agenda, or Hollywood agenda, it ruins the story

This latest season has nothing of the enchantment one expects from Star Trek. On the contrary, it outlines the gender craziness and underlines the complete boredom which goes hand in hand with such matters.

So,correct me if I'm wrong,the producers are suggesting everybody from the future will be omnisexual or something like that .I'm becoming so tired about this annoying twisted sexuality overdose

No other Star Trek openly omitted white males like this series, either- unless gay. Woke writers are making it quite clear where this series is going, and what to expect.

This is just whinging characters and a storyline trying to justify a minority for the good of it, fine, have actor's of LGBT but don't make a storyline dictate to it. TV for the woke's and if the average Joe is forced to keep watching 'minority' then the 'majority' will soon leave. It should be about talent and ability not about colour, sex or gender as they alone are not an achievement.

Incidentally, to highlight the transparent effort of bigots to launch their attack, this episode was before Adira was established on-screen as "they", and there was a single scene featuring Adira and Gray.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Picard got plenty of hate when it aired. I think it's just gone off the radar due to the passage of time since it aired and the small number of episodes which are out.

Yeah I can definitely vouch for that. I had - and still have - to wade through tons of hate in my Sir Patrick news sources. It’s just a different KIND of hate. Disco hate is more about how “woke and hip” and “ruined by SJWs” Trek has become while the hate for PIC is more focused on the fact that it isn’t TNG 2.0 and that Jean-Luc is much older now and no longer in Starfleet and no longer sitting in the captain’s chair of an Enterprise (a fact that was explicitly stated by everyone involved from the get-go, but a whole lot of people refused to believe/listen and then ended up angry and disappointed). With Disco the hate towards the main character is also a LOT more vicious (hmm I wonder why... /sarcasm). With PIC the hate goes more towards the writers and Sir Patrick for “ruining Picard” (while ignoring that Jean-Luc has always had the character traits he displays on the show but they were simply not dominant) and for “having women yell at Picard”, etc. So, like I said, there’s plenty of hate. Just a different kind. But it’s there. Sadly so. In a way I’d almost say the hate for PIC is even stronger because it “ruined TNG”, a fandom holy grail. I have lost count of how many angry fanboy tweets I’ve seen that yell at Sir Patrick for “ruining TNG and Picard forever, thanks for nothing, greedy old man”, etc.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

What I had to say about the new shows in another thread applies here.

 

[Worf factor9]

It's like being a sports fan and constantly talking about the team you hate.

N.Y. Yankees!!!