DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

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  1. Christopher

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    I'm not sure what you mean. With Superman, the kind of action that defines him is more about rescuing people and stopping disasters than fighting bad guys (since so few villains are a physical match for him), and S:TM has a lot of that kind of action in its climax, with runaway nukes and earthquakes and dams bursting and train tracks breaking and so forth.

    Granted, though, the sequel's massive fight between Superman and Zod's trio was a very impressive achievement for its day, the first time that kind of big superpowered battle had been captured on the screen in live action.
     
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  2. The Realist

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    Each to their own. I find the humor delightful and the action exhilarating. It's as perfect a pop movie as has ever been made. The fact that it's about my favorite hero makes it feel like a personal gift.
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  3. The Realist

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    So Melissa Benoist posted this:

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    Total class act.
     
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  4. dupersuper

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    ...How would you combine that good naturedness with that level of disaster porn?
     
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  5. theenglish

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    All Latino features are are a mix of European, Indigenous, and African bloodlines. In many families there are lighter and darker skinned people. Blonde and blue-eyed people can regularly exist in the same family with darker complexion, brown-eyed siblings. Now that often skews in one direction or the other depending primarily on economic class as European descendants still control most of the wealth in Latin America. But it does annoy me that Latinos get washed over and painted the same colour by NA and European culture. Blue-eyed Superman could easily be the cousin of brown-skinned Supergirl.
     
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  6. theenglish

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    And that is entirely on Hackman--I remember watching interviews where he stated that he thought the character was too bland on the page so he improvised lines to make him more entertaining.
     
  7. The Realist

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    If so, bravo, because he was entertaining AF.
     
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  8. dahj

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    Yeah that sounds exaggerated for effect a bit, but he is talking about how much they threw out, not how much of the theatrical cut was their footage. We already know they threw out at least half, since this version is 4 hours as opposed to theatrical's 2, and if only about a third of those two hours is reshoots(it's likely more) that's already almost 70% new footage we can expect form this. And when we account that there are essentially three versions of JL, the original Chris Terrio script they started shooting, the Geoff johns rewrites that happened during production while Snyder was still on, and the Whedon stuff from when he took over that 90% figure might not even be very far off.
     
  9. Christopher

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    I think MoS would be a decent movie if you just left out the gratuitous disaster porn altogether. I mean, none of it has any impact whatsoever on the film's plot. You could cut out maybe 10 or more minutes of collapsing buildings and not lose a single plot point or line of dialogue. So it's the most easily dispensible portion of the film. Have Superman show up much sooner, have him prevent Zod from doing more than limited damage, have him prioritize rescuing civilians over fighting Zod, and have his selfless commitment to their protection get through to Zod and reawaken something decent in him so that Superman is able to talk him down. Have Superman make an adamant stand that everyone is worth saving, and have it be a repudiation of Jonathan's warped Randian messages as well as a refusal to submit to Zod's zero-sum worldview. Instead of breaking Zod's neck, and therefore losing the philosophical battle between them, have Superman break his certainty, and therefore win it.
     
  10. Anwar

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    What I want is for there to be some kind of Alien Invasion plot (or one country preparing to invader another) that ends with Superman speaking to their Leader....and he calmly explains the logistical and economic problems that would come with invading and that the invasion force would be doomed to die from attrition or over-extending itself.

    The Invaders think about it, realize he's given a logical argument and they leave.
     
  11. dahj

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    Reminds me of the black wig disguise Kara Kent used in the John Bynre "Generations" series.

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  13. JD

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    Your picture didn't come up.
    I always love to see this kind of stuff.
    OK, I understand now. Sorry if post across as offensive, it really was not my intent.
     
  14. theenglish

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    Sorry on my part--my post was a little over the top.
     
  15. The Realist

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    FWIW, I didn't see it as a rebuke to JD (though I might have, had it been replying to me). It was informative and instructive, however. :)
     
  16. TREK_GOD_1

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    The "humor" of Superman (1978) was always pulling the meter from overboard (all things Otis, the military convoy, etc.) to highly offensive with the one black character with dialogue being a pimp spewing completely stereotypical dialogue. Yes, that oh-so great film mass sold a racist stereotype of the worst kind.
     
  17. M'rk son of Mogh

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    Bo Rucker had no problem with it. You should scold him for that:

    When they said it was a pimp, what was your reaction?

    The casting director gives you a script to read to see what you can do with it. I thought there was something very funny about the line [“Say, Jim—whoo! That’s a bad out-fit! Whoo!”]. I liked the way the line sounded. It was easy money.

    The fact that they cast you as a pimp didn’t bother you?

    No, it didn’t. Morgan Freeman was nominated for an Oscar for playing a pimp! In a movie with Christopher Reeve. And Terence Howard in Hustle and Flow. It could be a person negative to society, but [that can be a good] role.
     
  18. Samurai8472

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    I've seen so many comments saying this will fail because the actress isn't blonde.........

    They can do wigs. I think it would be interesting if Sasha natural hair color is used for her secret identity like in the 1984 Superman movie.
     
  19. Christopher

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    Egad. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether people are genuinely not thinking or deliberately ignoring the obvious so that they have an excuse to attack and condemn.

    Not a lot of comic-book heroines in movies are played by actresses using their natural hair color, especially the blondes and redheads. I remember how annoyed I was that the X-Men and Spider-Man movies couldn't give Famke Janssen or Kirsten Dunst a consistent red dye job from movie to movie. And then there's the irony of Spider-Man 3 having the naturally blonde Dunst play the redheaded MJ and the naturally redheaded Bryce Dallas Howard play the blonde Gwen Stacy.

    Isn't it true that most natural blondes turn darker-haired in adulthood, so that most adult blondes have dyed or bleached hair? I recall reading that once.
     
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