I blame the PT and CW and the EU for that.I just don't like the thought of a bad guy so powerful that he literally can never die. Just makes things seem so hopeless.
Star Wars love/hate relationship
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^ Come again? 
he came back in the EU too.. not one of its better moments. And I won't even start on Luuke Skywalker.
The PT pretty much made Palpatine unbeatable. The CW confirmed that he had plots within plots within plots. The Legends EU had him able to come back as a clone and hinted that he had died and been reborn multiple times.^ Come again?
See, I don't get this. It's not like if I don't like something (like the Clone Wars) the stuff I do like stops being likable? Does it?
I'm wondering if I shoud reply at all, this thread was created with the frustration I had with episodes 8 and 9.... maybe this thread shouldn't be bumped, ever, but....
To your question, the problem is that in this case it's not possible to skip an episode you don't like and then move on to the next one. The story just becomes even more weird if one were to skip episode 8 and just jump from 7 to 9.
I mean, if that's the approach then I get it. I was just curious as to the rationale but if you don't want to discuss it that's fine too. I personally just treat the OT as the Star Wars. No
1-2-3 or 7-8-9.Mileage will vary. Sorry for any confusion.
I mean, if that's the approach then I get it. I was just curious as to the rationale but if you don't want to discuss it that's fine too. I personally just treat the OT as the Star Wars. No
If one wishes to focus on the originals that's fine.
It just feels weird in some way because there's so much more Star Wars out there.
The prequels have their moments.
Good but also bad.
Sorry, didn't catch that, language barrier or something got in the way....?
I feel the same way about the ST. Good but also bad.
And there is a ton of SW out there. None of which will ever be equal to the OT in my mind. So I don't treat it as such. Entirely disposable.
Mileage will vary.
You were acting like you did not want to discuss it so I respect that.
I could discuss Star Wars all day long and have in the past. If you feel that continuing watching is the way to go then I would encourage to find the stuff you enjoy and revisiting that oftenWe can keep going, just let me know what's on your mind.
I really like The Last Jedi. I enjoyed seeing Luke mentor Rey, Rey seeking out the darkness, the battle in Snoke’s throne room, Leia using the force, her reunion with Luke, and Luke’s apparition fight against Kylo Ren was great.
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I could discuss Star Wars all day long and have in the past. If you feel that continuing watching is the way to go then I would encourage to find the stuff you enjoy and revisiting that often
I'm not sure I'm ready to let Star Wars go for good. Time will tell.
Fortunately, there is this thing called Star Trek in many forms which I enjoy much more.
I would think that if the son was meant to be a clone, they would have taken pains to make him look more like a younger Ian McDiarmid. I assumed that as a power-mad galactic Emperor, Palpatine just had various mistresses behind the scenes... and they were probably coerced, for the most part. That's the kind of thing that guys like that do.
Edit: So apparently the RoS novelization explains Rey's father as a clone after all. Are these new books considered canonical? I've been ignoring them all.
PT = Prequel Trilogy^ Come again?
CW = Clone Wars (the animated series)
EU = Expanded Universe
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There is always something to find for enjoyment.I'm not sure I'm ready to let Star Wars go for good. Time will tell.
Fortunately, there is this thing called Star Trek in many forms which I enjoy much more.
From what I understand, Rey's father was a failed clone that they decided to let loose for laughs (or Palpatine foresaw Rey through this clone and figured he'd be able to get a new powerful body, now that the Skywalkers seem to not be willing anymore). Palpatine was looking for a clone that was force sensitive that he could occupy. This one seems to not be force sensitive. Though we are to assume her mother was a nobody as well, Rey's clone father would have been quite young if he was decanted after Endor, which means that Palpatine's clones would be rapidly aging.
Given Palpatine's ultimate goal having clones at the ready seems to be part of his planning, especially with Vader no longer being a viable candidate. It looks like Palpatine was looking to diversify the genetic pool, possibly to expand the viability of the possession.
I love the entire universe that started with these 3 classic movies and has exploded into many more media and has become so vast that one might have to devote a significant portion of their life to keep track and read/see everything that is released under the Star Wars umbrella.
However i do tend to see it with more realistic eyes which helps put the lesser regarded movies in context. Star Wars was never meant to win Oscars ( at least not in writing, acting or even best picture), it is a clear black and white story of good vs. evil in a Sci Fi Space Opera setting with some "magical" powers thrown in.
The formula worked beyond belief as we all know and as we also know building on such a historic success can only lead to failure and disappointment. The Prequel Trilogy was for the most part ripped to shreds by fandom starting with Jar Jar Binks to wooden acting and for some even the basic story that seemed boring or uninteresting ( Trade disputes, politics etc., not enough space battles and lightsabre swinging i guess).
Maybe fans expected too much and overanalyzed everything, which Lucas simply didn't care about because he just wanted to make some epic movies but people apparently expected Citizen Kane in Space level quality.
The Disney trilogy though was completely mismanaged, which made me a bit mad and disappointed because it was avoidable. To me it seems there was no cohesive plan about the overall story of the trilogy and it showed because it seemed so disjointed, especially from 7 to 8.
Disney apparently though that the brand itself would be enough to get maximum payback but fans said otherwise and the movies performed below expectations box office wise.
Even then there were hopeful parts - Rogue One was very good for the most part and Solo surprisingly entertaining given its production history and rumors. Mandalorian is a smash hit so Star Wars is not dead and maybe Disney realizes they need to hire people who are good and have a passion for the material.
However i do tend to see it with more realistic eyes which helps put the lesser regarded movies in context. Star Wars was never meant to win Oscars ( at least not in writing, acting or even best picture), it is a clear black and white story of good vs. evil in a Sci Fi Space Opera setting with some "magical" powers thrown in.
The formula worked beyond belief as we all know and as we also know building on such a historic success can only lead to failure and disappointment. The Prequel Trilogy was for the most part ripped to shreds by fandom starting with Jar Jar Binks to wooden acting and for some even the basic story that seemed boring or uninteresting ( Trade disputes, politics etc., not enough space battles and lightsabre swinging i guess).
Maybe fans expected too much and overanalyzed everything, which Lucas simply didn't care about because he just wanted to make some epic movies but people apparently expected Citizen Kane in Space level quality.
The Disney trilogy though was completely mismanaged, which made me a bit mad and disappointed because it was avoidable. To me it seems there was no cohesive plan about the overall story of the trilogy and it showed because it seemed so disjointed, especially from 7 to 8.
Disney apparently though that the brand itself would be enough to get maximum payback but fans said otherwise and the movies performed below expectations box office wise.
Even then there were hopeful parts - Rogue One was very good for the most part and Solo surprisingly entertaining given its production history and rumors. Mandalorian is a smash hit so Star Wars is not dead and maybe Disney realizes they need to hire people who are good and have a passion for the material.
I still don't understand why they didn't plan the new trilogy before they started filming. How difficult can that be when you have that much money and talent in your pocket?
Meh. Star Wars had a couple of really good movies. (Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back) The rest were hit and miss.The Old Republic games were outstanding and lots of fun to play.I just feel like I must express these feeling to others who might like this kind of entertainment, sorry.
You might know what Star Wars is. It can bring up powerful feelings just like many other series or movies.
Right now, I really don't like Star Wars. Many here might know the story; watching Star Wars growing up, loving it. Over time Star Wars has gotten not so good.
I recently rewatched episodes 7, 8 and 9 after a while. 7 was okay I guess but the other two.... What a load of shit. If you like them that's okay, for some reason it feels like I have to vent a little bit, sorry. I think Rian Johnson ruined the entire franchise.
These movies have been discussed here before I sure but I'd like to know what do you think? Star Wars, so much wasted potential. Why is this bothering me so much? Come to think of it, the only really good movie in the series is 'The Empire Strikes Back'. However, I really like Star Wars - Battlefront game from 2004, nostalgy kicking in.
Fortunately, Star Trek feels even better.
My only wish is for the original Theatrical Versions of the OT to be released for home viewing.
Because they wanted to involve as many creatives as they could. It was a risk, possibly bred from the huge backlash against the Prequels. People forget how vehement the reaction was. Kennedy would be aware and seek a different way.
It's not as easy as us armchair quarterbacks think. Not saying the approach was right. Obviously, it was controversial. But, I still think there was a plan and then Trevorrow fell out.
The main issue I have with the Sequel Trilogy is that there is clearly no narrative path thought up for the story through 7, 8 and 9. Give each episodes writer and director free reign to tell a story they want, but understanding that by the end of each film we'll know 'X' about the characters, whilst leaving the plot at 'Y' and further hinting about 'Z' in the larger narrative.
For example:
For example:
- 7 introduces the new characters, lets the audience know what state the galaxy is in, introduces the threat of the First Order, as well as hinting at other points that will be explored later (such as Rey's parentage, just why Finn suddenly went rogue, Poe's shady past, the hint of Ren's redemption arc, a great Sith danger pulling strings from the shadows)
- 8 has the Resistance at its lowest, scrabbling to organise itself in the aftermath of the devastating attack on the New Republic, the First Order expanding imposing its will on system after system, questions raised about where their strength comes from (leading to realisation that there is a greater evil out there), again more character work building on the new trio dynamic
- 9 sees the Resistance mustering its defenses at key systems, holding back the First Order, meanwhile our plucky heroes are trying to fight the good fight as well as hunt down the real mastermind, which they discover is the desiccated body of the Emperor, leading the Resistance to choose between saving another world or striking to cut off the head of the snake
I followed it...
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I just popped in 'Rogue One' into my player, let's see how this one and later 'Solo' feels.
I've watched them only once before and don't remember much about them.
I've watched them only once before and don't remember much about them.
Looking forward to it.
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