Objective quality in art does not exist.
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There's no such thing as truly objective quality when it comes to entertainment. On Average, the MCU has more success than any other long-running film series ever. Critically and commercially.
These are incorrect statements.
Two examples of objectively poor-quality entertainment are Spongebob Squarepants and the novel series The Inheritance Cycle.
More nonsensical bullshit.
I am, and it is all I can think of every time I see Snyder's versions of Steppenwolf and Darkseid.
I'd say the fact that people enjoy it is all that matters here, not whether it meets whatever bullshit criteria stick up their ass movies snobs come up with.
Oh, and just to show how much people love Snyder's stuff, and hate the MCU, on IMDB BvS has a 6.4, vs a 8.4 for Endgame, and on Metacritic BvS only has a 44 from the critics and a 7.0 from the users, while Endgame has a 78 and a 7.8. And on Amazon Endgame has 5/5 with 32,757 reviews, while 4.5/5 with only 17,496. On Rotten Tomatoes BvS only has a 28% with 423 reviews, and Endgame has a 94% with 537 reviews. The award show that gave BvS the most nominations was the Golden Raspberry's, and it won 4 of those, and it got one nomination each for the Critics Choice , and People's Choice, and Saturns. Endgame was nominated for an Oscar, a British Film Academy Award, a Grammy, and a Hugo, and won 3 People's Choice Awards, 6 Saturn Awards, and a SAG award.
And yet, despite all of this, you still want me to believe that BvS is the better movie?
The Inheritance Cycle is badly done plagiarism that was somehow allowed to be legal, and Spongebob is brain-rotting trash that makes its audience genuinely stupider.
Again, popularity does not equal quality.
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I don't care what your justification is. Even plagiarized art is a form of art which might be mind-blowing to someone, somewhere, regardless of how lazy and immoral the artist was being.
Objective quality in art does not exist. Quality is entirely dependent on what the audience is looking for in the art. You can name a hundred different objective standards about what you think 'objective quality' is made of, but you don't get to set the standards for the entire human race so your set of standards is completely meaningless to anyone other than you.
General popularity may not, but when something is not just popular, but also is a critical success, and starts getting nominated and winning multiple awards, I think we can start to say that the just being popular to being considered a "good" movie.
Under pretty much every possible objective criteria a person could come up with beyond their own personal opinion, Endgame has a better result. Endgame performed better in the box office, both worldwide and domestic, critical reaction, fan reaction, and awards.
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What matters is that you are desperate to make the false, blanketing claim that the MCU is enjoyed by all, when that is patently false. In the same breath where DC is concerned, you represent certain fans who nervously cling to stale, creatively hollow versions of characters--most which did not hold up long after their release. Thankfully, there are creators who do not feel some imagined "obligation" to one, misguided version of a character or concept, and choose to bring them closer to their true essence/roots than any other adaptation to date--for those who know the actual history of the characters, instead of woefully misguided crap tossed at TV and movie screens.
True, but it does for those who believe the false idea that alleged popularity means it "must" be good. By that crumbling criteria, Happy Days "must" be one the greatest TV series in history. The films of Michael Bay must be Grade A movies because many were "popular." We must also assume that Moonraker was the best of Roger Moore's Bond films because it earned the most, when anyone sober / remotely in touch with reality next to never cites that film as Moore's best, and certainly not one of the best of the franchise. Rocky IV? Yes, that film "must" be the greatest of all in that franchise because it earned the most (i.e., it was popular), but what rational mind believes IV is the greatest of that series? Next to no one. This is the hill the "popular = good" clan chooses to die on, one that has never had even the slightest association with sense.
It's always entertaining when people try to distinguish themselves intellectually by their preferences in funnybook movies.
I honestly don't remember ever saying that everyone likes the MCU, and if I did I am honestly, and sincerely sorry because I clearly wasn't really paying attention to what I was writing, because I am very aware that there is no piece of media in existence that everyone likes. I always try to limit comments like that to "the majority" or "most people" or say it was more popular.
I'm not just talking about popularity, I'm also talking the actual critical and fan reaction got along with the awards won and nominated. Those give a much wider picture of how a movie was perceived vs just looking at the numbers.
Even if you take the Box Office out of the picture there is still not a single objective way to look at how a movie was perceived, where BvS comes out above Endgame.
Oh, and for the record Happy Days has a 7.4 with 16K reviews on IMDB, ad 5/5 with 436 reviews on Amazon. So yeah, I'd say most people would consider it and good show.
This has all happened before and it will happen again.
It's moments like these I regret not drinking.
It's moments like these I regret not drinking.
Nope.
Even to someone it will be seen as enjoyable and good. There's no objectivity when dealing with entertainment, we are ultimately isolated by the subjective nature of our own perceptions. What appeals to one will not appeal to the other.
And really, saying the MCU is too "homogeneous" when Snyder's no different is more than a little hypocritical.
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I heard something about Scorsese's family wrapping his Christmas gifts in MCU giftwrap a couple of years ago, which is some quality trolling.
Nah, they just don't go for pretentious head-up-its-own-ass pseudo-profoundness.
Like Nolan.
And their manage to give us good quotes and dialog without making all flowery BS as well.
...And they never caused a crazy guy to try and kill the US President.
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True.
The fact that some MCU fans are so easily triggered betrays any of their projected confidence in the quality of the MCU.
Amusing.
Yup. And completely disposable.
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