This is how I feel about Enterprise, which I am currently watching, but I have had no desire to revisit Voyager, for most of the reasons already discussed here.
Has anyone started watching Voyager again?
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This is how I feel about Enterprise, which I am currently watching, but I have had no desire to revisit Voyager, for most of the reasons already discussed here.
I didn't catch it the first time around due to real life, but believed some of the hate and was a bit down on the series with no actual reason to at the time. I'm definitely enjoying it.
Interesting that during my rewatch I caught all the episodes with the Borg children and now hate Star Trek Picard because of what they did to Icheb. That was not good. It was Star Trek murder porn.
However Endgame is still the worst 2 parter ever.
However Endgame is still the worst 2 parter ever.
Picard was terrible. Made Disco look good.
Last time I watched it was two years ago or so.
There are certain things that I criticized more back then which I tolerate more now. I only skip a few episodes. It’s a pleasant watch but doesn’t reach the heights of the other series.
I have no interest in watching Ent seasons 1-2 again but may some time rewatch 3-4. Nearly all of my strongest memories from those seasons make me cringe. Dear Doctor, Night in Sickbay, Reed’s weird dream where he flirts with T’Pol by calling himself Stinky, mind melds are gay sex, ducking back twice and rolling away being touted as a good enough ancient technique to fight off Klingons. Hoshi figures out a language by listening to it for five minutes. Six year olds in the future can change the past from their school desks. Phlox cures assimilation in five minutes. Ick.
There are certain things that I criticized more back then which I tolerate more now. I only skip a few episodes. It’s a pleasant watch but doesn’t reach the heights of the other series.
I have no interest in watching Ent seasons 1-2 again but may some time rewatch 3-4. Nearly all of my strongest memories from those seasons make me cringe. Dear Doctor, Night in Sickbay, Reed’s weird dream where he flirts with T’Pol by calling himself Stinky, mind melds are gay sex, ducking back twice and rolling away being touted as a good enough ancient technique to fight off Klingons. Hoshi figures out a language by listening to it for five minutes. Six year olds in the future can change the past from their school desks. Phlox cures assimilation in five minutes. Ick.
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The season finale of 1st season when they went into the destroyed future, and they contacted the past by using the equipment in a school desk. It's possible I'm misremembering the details of that one.
the desks are gone - they macgyver sth
DANIELS: I still have the spatial coordinates of Enterprise, but without a quantum discriminator it's going to be very tricky to contact the ship on the same day you left.
ARCHER: I thought you built these things in high school.
DANIELS: Where quantum discriminators were on every desk.
ARCHER: I thought you built these things in high school.
DANIELS: Where quantum discriminators were on every desk.
Ah.......... Now I remember the episode....... Sorry I was being too bloody literal when I read your post. I liked that episode
I watched "Caretaker" this saturday and I guess that I will continue watching Voyager for a while.
I must admit that I've watched "caretaker" many times and I still find it great to watch. That moment when Kim says "we're on the other side of the galaxy" still gives me goosebumps as it did the first time I watched the episode and thought "now the action really begins".
It's a nice introduction to all the main characters and I remember starting liking all of them during this episode which is rare for me. The only series i've watched which gave me a similar feeling was NCIS, a series I still watch and like.
The only character I had some doubts about after watching "Caretaker" was The Doctor. But he definitely won me over in "Time And Again" after this conversation:
NEELIX: Is something wrong?
EMH: Yes, terribly wrong. Your brain is not on file. Either your government failed to transmit the standard fifteen five or one crew personnel report or somebody at Starfleet Medical really fouled up.
KES: I'm not a member of the Starfleet crew.
NEELIX: We came aboard at mid-expedition.
EMH: And no one asked you for your medical histories when you arrived? Of course not. That would be the ship's doctor's job. My job, if anyone had bothered to tell me about new passengers, but I seem to be just about the last to know about everything around here. So, tell me, just how many other new arrivals are there?
NEELIX: Just us.
KES: And the crew from another ship that was destroyed.
EMH: Another crew. That's nice. This is the Emergency Medical Holographic system to Captain Janeway.
NEELIX: She's not on board. She's missing on the surface of a planet.
EMH: Missing. The Captain is missing. It seems I've found myself on the Voyage of the Damned.
I found that comment about Voyage of the Damned hilarious and still think it is!
however, The Doctor must have been suffering from memory loss because he should have been aware of the arrival of both Kes, Neelix and the Maquis crew, especially since he did treat both Kes, Chakotay and Torres in "Caretaker" plus the fact that two months had passed since the events in "Caretaker". But maybe the time dabbling which happened in "Time And Again" caused what looked like a memory loss.
Anyway, still a funny scene to watch!
I must admit that I've watched "caretaker" many times and I still find it great to watch. That moment when Kim says "we're on the other side of the galaxy" still gives me goosebumps as it did the first time I watched the episode and thought "now the action really begins".
It's a nice introduction to all the main characters and I remember starting liking all of them during this episode which is rare for me. The only series i've watched which gave me a similar feeling was NCIS, a series I still watch and like.
The only character I had some doubts about after watching "Caretaker" was The Doctor. But he definitely won me over in "Time And Again" after this conversation:
NEELIX: Is something wrong?
EMH: Yes, terribly wrong. Your brain is not on file. Either your government failed to transmit the standard fifteen five or one crew personnel report or somebody at Starfleet Medical really fouled up.
KES: I'm not a member of the Starfleet crew.
NEELIX: We came aboard at mid-expedition.
EMH: And no one asked you for your medical histories when you arrived? Of course not. That would be the ship's doctor's job. My job, if anyone had bothered to tell me about new passengers, but I seem to be just about the last to know about everything around here. So, tell me, just how many other new arrivals are there?
NEELIX: Just us.
KES: And the crew from another ship that was destroyed.
EMH: Another crew. That's nice. This is the Emergency Medical Holographic system to Captain Janeway.
NEELIX: She's not on board. She's missing on the surface of a planet.
EMH: Missing. The Captain is missing. It seems I've found myself on the Voyage of the Damned.
I found that comment about Voyage of the Damned hilarious and still think it is!
however, The Doctor must have been suffering from memory loss because he should have been aware of the arrival of both Kes, Neelix and the Maquis crew, especially since he did treat both Kes, Chakotay and Torres in "Caretaker" plus the fact that two months had passed since the events in "Caretaker". But maybe the time dabbling which happened in "Time And Again" caused what looked like a memory loss.
Anyway, still a funny scene to watch!
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My rewatch of Voyager prompted me to start other shows. I'm doing Stargate Atlantis too and finding I like it more now than I did before.
I never saw all of VOY in its first run for various reasons. I was in college when it premiered, and I was definitely saturated on Trek at that point (so, people who say "franchise fatigue" isn't a real thing...even I wasn't immune). I also didn't find the characters or structure too compelling.
I since started a start-to-finish watch a year or so ago. I'm working SLOWLY through the series...but so far I've enjoyed it a fair amount. I don't like it as much as other Trek series, but I also find that it has a charming, comfort food quality that is undeniable.
I'm in late S5 at this point. I find the addition of 7of9 to be an interesting conundrum. On one hand, I think this was an excellent addition to the cast and really helped "save" the show in many ways. On the other hand, I'm shocked at how much the series shifted focus to her and essentially revolved around her after she joined.
VOY, for me, is a lot like The Orville. I like it and I'll watch it...but there's nothing at all compelling about it. That doesn't make it a bad thing at all...but it also means I'll never really care about it beyond just watching in the moment and being mildly amused. It's one of those shows that had some really excellent episodes and concepts, but also some really horrific stuff mixed in liberally as well. And, again, I don't think that its place in the Trek franchise timeline did it any favors. Viewed back in the mid-to-late 1990's...it felt very much "been there, done that..." while I think it actually plays much better now that there are 25 years of separation from the bulk of the franchise. I found that to be true of ENT as well...that I enjoyed it much more decades later than what little I saw of it in first-run.
I'll keep watching, because ultimately even "mediocre" Star Trek is more interesting to me than 90% of other available entertainment.
That's my experience as well....A lot of this is me seeing VOY episodes for the first time. I bet I'm at about 75-80% episodes that I've never seen.
Caretaker is a really fantastic pilot episode.
I since started a start-to-finish watch a year or so ago. I'm working SLOWLY through the series...but so far I've enjoyed it a fair amount. I don't like it as much as other Trek series, but I also find that it has a charming, comfort food quality that is undeniable.
I'm in late S5 at this point. I find the addition of 7of9 to be an interesting conundrum. On one hand, I think this was an excellent addition to the cast and really helped "save" the show in many ways. On the other hand, I'm shocked at how much the series shifted focus to her and essentially revolved around her after she joined.
VOY, for me, is a lot like The Orville. I like it and I'll watch it...but there's nothing at all compelling about it. That doesn't make it a bad thing at all...but it also means I'll never really care about it beyond just watching in the moment and being mildly amused. It's one of those shows that had some really excellent episodes and concepts, but also some really horrific stuff mixed in liberally as well. And, again, I don't think that its place in the Trek franchise timeline did it any favors. Viewed back in the mid-to-late 1990's...it felt very much "been there, done that..." while I think it actually plays much better now that there are 25 years of separation from the bulk of the franchise. I found that to be true of ENT as well...that I enjoyed it much more decades later than what little I saw of it in first-run.
I'll keep watching, because ultimately even "mediocre" Star Trek is more interesting to me than 90% of other available entertainment.
That's my experience as well....A lot of this is me seeing VOY episodes for the first time. I bet I'm at about 75-80% episodes that I've never seen.
Caretaker is a really fantastic pilot episode.
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I really liked Caretaker. The rest of VOY is, as you say, it's OK. It doesn't compel in the way other shows do. But, I think Caretaker presented so much potential for a lot of different conflicts, between the Maquis, Tom and Chakotay, and the very frontier feeling of the Delta Quadrant.
i really like III-23 distant origin - one of my favourite episodes in the whole franchise
I think VOY was a victim of high expectations at the time, because it came right after TNG and DS9 and was never going to be as good as either of those. I do think there some missed opportunities on the conflict with the Maqui and also the ship having limited supplies. They started out with two themes but dropped them both pretty early on.
Voyager did have some gems though, and quite a few good two-parters.
Voyager did have some gems though, and quite a few good two-parters.
I always felt the opposite to that for the most part.They did have good two parters, but for me usually the part 1 was fantastic, but the part 2 seemed to fizzle and not live up to the previous episode.
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