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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Biggest R-rated movie ever made? I think that's the first I've ever seen this referred to like that, but with some of the characters involved I'm not to surprised. Polka Dot Man, T.D.K, and Rat Catcher 2 could potentially pretty effects heavy, and then we've got both Shark King and Weasel, who are both going to be mo-capped anthropomorphic animals.
 
I've never really understood why movie people talk about how massive their budget is as though we're supposed to be impressed.
 
I've never really understood why movie people talk about how massive their budget is as though we're supposed to be impressed.

It's just dick waving. Hey look at me I have a massive budget woohoo. Doesn't mean quality.
 
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Yeah, the budget or number of writers a film has mean practically nothing. The Flintstones(1994) had 33 writers.

33.

And it sucked.
 
GOing back to the topic... Is there a current chart of DC FU and other DC projects coming out?

I remember this post was started because a previous chart (I think 2015-2020) had become outdated.

I would personally like to see how diluted the brand (DC) has become, and how possible it would be for a core of hardcore DC fans to follow everything (assuming they had other interests)
 
Just onscreen?
It's really not that bad, we're getting 1 or 2 movies a year, then there's the 5 soon to be 6 CW series, 4 HBOMax series, and maybe Teen Titans Go. So far the only thing I've not seen at least some of is Teen Titans Go.
 
11 for each joke that managed to raise a wry smile.

:guffaw: And this comment just made me laugh harder than the entirety of the Flintstones movie. :guffaw:

It'll be interesting to see how the movie business develops in the next few years. Without a large theatrical box office gross to point to, it makes it even harder to maintain a property in the face of negative fan reactions. I mean, pretty much all I've heard about WW84 since it came out is that people hate it. And given that that seemed like a sure-fire hit, it makes me wonder what the future holds for Aquaman 2 or Shazam 2. Flashpoint is in a better place because, amid all the noise, it can still be heard with a simple statement of MICHAEL KEATON RETURNS AS BATMAN!
 
It's possible that he's obligated to avoid specifics because of whatever non-disclosure agreement he signed in the settlement, and is just trying to maneuver around that to the extent that he can. I gather that NDAs like that are pretty common in business.

He's mentioned an NDA before but I can't imagine what kind of NDA would prevent him from making more specific allegations but still permit him to say as much as he already has. And if he truly believes that holding these people accountable is worth burning his whole career down, why should an NDA stop him? Shouldn't he have a moral duty to let everyone know the exact extent of their abuse & racism?

I don't doubt that Joss Whedon is an asshole. But regardless of what he's done, I'll still go to my grave calling him the greatest storyteller of the last 25 years. And before we cast him out as a pariah, never to be allowed to create mainstream entertainment again, I think it's essential that we have SOME idea of what he did to ensure that the punishment fits the crime. I'm not even asking for evidence; just a concrete accusation.

"Despite Walter's best efforts, the Justice League investigation was able to expose the racist, coercive, discriminatory, and retaliatory behavior of Geoff Johns during his tenure with Warner Media's affiliates."

Ummmm, what has actually been exposed? We still know nothing about what they actually did; just that Fisher didn't like it.

Well, Patty Jenkins didn't like Whedon's Justice League, that has very little to do with Whedon's behaviour on set.

Those who did come out against Whedon's behaviour, that I can remember, were Jason Momoa and Gal Gadot.

I've heard about Gal Gadot's incident. But I haven't heard Momoa say anything except that he stands with Fisher and that Snyder's version of the movie was way better than what came out in theaters.

It's actually fairly common for director's-cut releases to include the theatrical cut for comparison, at least in the deluxe sets. I've seen it done in several cases, including Ridley Scott's Legend, Alex Proyas's Dark City, and most relevantly, at least one release of Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut. And I don't see that many movies on disc, so there are no doubt far more examples than I can recall offhand.

After all, the main selling point of a director's cut is that it's an alternative to the primary version, a chance for viewers to see how the director's original "vision" differs from the official release. So it makes perfect sense to include the official release to make it easier to compare the two. The idea that they'd want to suppress the comparison, to pretend the theatrical version doesn't exist, makes little sense. Especially in this case. The Snyder Cut is not replacing the theatrical Justice League. The theatrical version is still the canonical one in the DCEU. The official line, so I've heard, is that the Snyder Cut is an "alternate universe" version.

I've seen lots of cases where only the director's cut or extended cut gets released on blu-ray without the accompanying theatrical cut-- Daredevil, Embrace of the Vampire, Ghost Rider, Troy, Underworld, Watchmen, 2 out of the 4 versions of Alexander. And given that there were people involved with the theatrical cut of Justice League that are not involved with the Snyder cut (i.e. Whedon & Johns), I suspect that any blu-ray release of the Snyder cut will not include the theatrical cut if only so they don't have to pay them.

The only time I've seen the original theatrical cut of Superman II on blu-ray is as part of the big anthology box set (and I'd really rather not have to breathe the same air as Superman IV, thank you very much).

As for how the Snyder cut will fit into continuity, I think that will depend a great deal on how it's received by the fans. If it's universally praised, I think that it will become the new definitive version and the theatrical cut will be thrown down the memory hole. But if it's greeted with the same mixed reception as Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, I think that they'll just tap-dance around the whole issue until Flashpoint rewrites continuity to the point where the question is totally irrelevant.
 
And if he truly believes that holding these people accountable is worth burning his whole career down, why should an NDA stop him? Shouldn't he have a moral duty to let everyone know the exact extent of their abuse & racism?

It's easy to talk about moral duty in the abstract, but there are legal and financial penalties for violating an NDA. That's the whole point -- to ensure that the cost of violating it is severe enough to stop you from doing it.


I don't doubt that Joss Whedon is an asshole. But regardless of what he's done, I'll still go to my grave calling him the greatest storyteller of the last 25 years.

Nobody's just one thing all the time. The same person can be really nice and sweet in some contexts and irritable and hostile in others. We know that Whedon's two Avengers movies left him exhausted and burned out, and then he was brought in to reshoot a comparably huge blockbuster in less than ideal circumstances where not everyone liked having him there. So that must have been stressful, and it could be that it brought out the worst in him. That doesn't mean he's always that way. We've become far too quick these days to define people by the worst thing they've done.


And before we cast him out as a pariah, never to be allowed to create mainstream entertainment again, I think it's essential that we have SOME idea of what he did to ensure that the punishment fits the crime. I'm not even asking for evidence; just a concrete accusation.

We're not required or entitled to know that. It's not our place to sit in judgment over him. And a person's work is not the person. They're two separate things. I don't know anything about the personality or morality of the person who bagged my groceries today, or the guy who fixed my phone line a few months ago. But I don't need to, because it's entirely separate from the services they performed for me. All that's relevant to me is the result of their work. The entertainment industry creates a false sense of intimacy between audience and creators, but they're still just people doing a job. We can appreciate their work without needing to approve of anything else about them.


I've seen lots of cases where only the director's cut or extended cut gets released on blu-ray without the accompanying theatrical cut-- Daredevil, Embrace of the Vampire, Ghost Rider, Troy, Underworld, Watchmen, 2 out of the 4 versions of Alexander.

Of course, but there are also cases where it is included. The point is simply that it's not impossible or unreasonable.


And given that there were people involved with the theatrical cut of Justice League that are not involved with the Snyder cut (i.e. Whedon & Johns), I suspect that any blu-ray release of the Snyder cut will not include the theatrical cut if only so they don't have to pay them.

That's the only credible argument against its inclusion that I've heard so far.



As for how the Snyder cut will fit into continuity, I think that will depend a great deal on how it's received by the fans. If it's universally praised, I think that it will become the new definitive version and the theatrical cut will be thrown down the memory hole. But if it's greeted with the same mixed reception as Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, I think that they'll just tap-dance around the whole issue until Flashpoint rewrites continuity to the point where the question is totally irrelevant.

I find it incredibly unlikely that anything from Snyder would be universally praised. People have forgotten that WB was already easing him out because of the critical panning of MoS and BvS, and that they brought in Whedon because they were deeply unsatisfied with Snyder's work on JL and considered it unreleasable. The only reasons they're doing the Snyder Cut now are so that they have something to release during COVID production shutdowns and so that they have buzzworthy new content for HBO Max. It's not because they've suddenly realized it was brilliant all along. There's no way the end result is going to live up to the ridiculous hype. I fully expect it to be a disaster.
 
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I've never heard about that.
As for Joss Whedon, I find it hard to believe he's a completely irredeemable asshole. There are quite a few cast members from his past shows, who seem to be pretty decent people, who like him.
 
To weigh back in on my desire for a physical bundle of the Theatrical Cut of JL and Snyder's cut of the film, it appears that said version of the film has been officially retitled/relabeled as the 'Justice League Director's Cut' according to recent ads for HBO Max.
 
DC has announced 4 new animated shorts that will be release alongside their next batch of full length animated movies. They will be doing Constantine, Blue Beetle, Kamandi, and The Losers. I find it kind of funny that they are announcing a Kamandi short now, after I was just talking about how surprised I am we haven't gotten any Kamandi adaptations.

The last batch of shorts were really bad in my opinion. Except for Sgt. Rock, which was decent, the other three (Death, adam Strange, and Phantom Stranger) were all edgelord BS. The first time they did Dc animated shorts they had a whole range of genre and tone, and their most "hardcore" short, The Spectre, was really good and justified being violent. The latest ones, except for Sgt. Rock, were just violent to be violent, didn't match the characters and were also pretty needlessly depressing (the adam stange short being the worst offender when it comes to being edgelord and depressing, although I think that the Phantom Stranger and Death shorts are tied for the worst, since the titular characters barely appear in them).

I would be kind of interested in a Blue Beetle short in other circumstances, but now I'm just expecting pointlessly depressing and violent BS, especially since the other three shorts really lend themselves to being grim and violent based on how the animated stuff has been going (not that Kamandi is generally like that in the bits I've seen/read of him, but its easy to do a dark and violent post apocalyptic world, and there is no way that the DC animated edgelords don't go for that instead of the goofier aspects of the character/his world).
 
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