Spoilers The Expanse Season 5

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  1. Asbo Zaprudder

    Asbo Zaprudder Admiral Admiral

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    The "nuclear winter" scenario given the size of the impacts (I think they were larger in the books IIRC) isn't beyond the bounds of plausibility though. The same goes for the magnetic boots and the Epstein Drive. That Amos and especially Clarissa weren't succumbing to hypothermia more rapidly, given their inadequate clothing, is a bit of a stretch but it was sort of addressed by having to strip a corpse and kill the survivalist in order to survive themselves. Naomi being able to communicate with Jim on an unsecured mobile device halfway across the solar system without having to know an access code is less plausible. I've seen much less believable plot contrivances in other series though so I'm ignoring these ones.
     
  2. TimeIsAPredator

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    I think that was supposed to be ash not snow but I could be wrong I wasn't paying it too much attention
     
  3. 1987SpaceGuy

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    If you're not into the whole "family feud, it wasn't very fun. Not that it was a bad episode however, just feel THAT story-line is a bit dragged out unnecessarily.
    It's very easy to hate the Inaros character however, the way he speaks even in his tone, makes me loath him.

    Was waiting for the bullet Bobbie threw to make a comeback at a bad time...
    Was disappointed not to have any Drummer, Amos scenes and just a little tiny bit of Bobbie :(
    Like Bull and the Monica the Reporter. Hope they stick around alive.
    She seems to be the only one, along with Holden (who is distracted), who suspects a bigger picture...
     
  4. TimeIsAPredator

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    I find him to be the opposite and quite charismatic. If I was a belter I would be very tempted to follow him.

    That is of course only if Drummer wouldn't let me in her crew
     
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  5. Phily B

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    I don't like how the story seems to have slowed to a crawl after all the earlier episodes had a ton of intrigue to them leading to the attacks, we've barely seen Avasarala the past few episodes. There is a lot of focus on Naomi at the moment, but it felt like it was going in circles up until the end of the episode, it isn't that I don't like the plot, it's more that I don't want to focus on just that because it appears to be going around and around and around. It was awesome to see another space battle too.
     
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  6. David cgc

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    I thought this episode was played oddly broad. Like, I kept expecting the characters to have some sort of subtext, or to be hiding something, or playing some sort of angle, but then a subsequent scene would occur and show, no, the prior scene was completely on the level. Like, at the end of last episode, when Marco was watching Filip and Naomi talk on the security camera, I wondered if he'd sent Filip to get information out of Naomi about the Protomolecule or the Ring by subterfuge, but then Marco confronted Filip about it, and it turned out things were exactly as they seemed. Same with Naomi's story about leaving and considering suicide, then we heard it again from Cyn's point of view and, not that I had thought Naomi was lying or trying to make herself look good somehow, but his version of what happened is exactly the same.

    It all felt very upfront, more like the kind of writing you'd see in a stage-play. Considering how The Expanse usually rewards the viewer for being very attentive to subtleties and being an active audience, it was a surprise to me how overt and straight-ahead everything was.
     
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  7. Q2UnME

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    I felt this episode was spinning its wheels too, it really wasn't but the last few minutes pushed the story forward. There was some decent acting and some nice character moments throughout, but almost zero forward momentum. I'm hoping next episode gets us back on track.
     
  8. eschaton

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    Honestly, having read the book this season is based on...

    I don't remember the best climax to the story. Basically the real "big bad" behind Ineros is unveiled. But the actual defeat of both Ineros and this individual wait until the following book (meaning likely the following season). The book does not end on any sort of big action scene...it's absolutely Part 1 of a two-part story.

    Basically, Nemesis Games (the book) was kinda meant as a disaster novel. Because they really toned down the scope of the attack in the show (a few million dead instead of a few billion) a lot of the sheer spectacle of the book is missing from the show. I feel like unless they move forward part of the next book into this season, people are going to be pretty let down with the ending.
     
  9. TimeIsAPredator

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    Pretty dull episode all right. I love the Inaros story but his relationship with Naomi never sat well with me it was a bit too small universe
     
  10. FreezeC77

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    Everything with Naomi/Marco/Philip just seems rehashed and refreshed over and over again in multiple episodes this season so it's pretty stale for me at this point.
     
  11. Phily B

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    I don't think they've toned down the scale of the attacks, it looked pretty serious to me. It has to be billions dead.
     
  12. thribs

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    Still pretty crazy she survived that. You’d think the temperature alone would kill her. I was wondering what the hell she was doing on the ship. Didn’t occur to me she was altering the SOS.
     
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  13. Timelord Victorious

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    i thought it was refreshing to see a no EV spacewalk without the person instantly turning into a popsicle.
     
  14. FreezeC77

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    We'll see what happens in the next episode, but seemed like Naomi had more plot armor than Cyn who suffered nearly instantaneous effects after being exposed to space while Naomi continued conscious long enough to then inject herself near the airlock of her ship.
     
  15. Timelord Victorious

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    Yeah. But unless TNG lied to me, you can prime your body a little for the vacuum of space, which Naomi had the opportunity to do and Cyn didn‘t.

    also, I just saw the next episode. She suffers the consequences. Hard.
     
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  16. thribs

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    That episode is already out. She’s not in great shape.
     
  17. tomalak301

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    I'm starting to get a little annoyed at this show. This is episode 8 of a 10 episode season and it feels like not much has happened at all. Now I loved what Naomi did (Even though the message was starting to get a little annoying) but I was really hoping that by now we would get the crew of the Roci back together and start a plan to finally take Marcos out. It feels like these episodes have been taking place in a matter of a day or two and things just feel stagnant now. As someone who hasn't read the books, I'm starting to feel like the season I was told was not as great (Season 4) is actually better than this season, mainly because a lot was going on and we actually did have a little fantastical element at play at the end.

    I really wish the Roci crew was just back together. This season just doesn't feel the same because of how fragmented the storylines seem to be.
     
  18. Jedi Marso

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    The big payoff for this season may not be much more than getting the Roci crew back together again. We'll see.
     
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  19. eschaton

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    As I said above, regarding the book...

    that's basically exactly what happens there. The entire book Nemesis Games is basically setup for Babylon's Ashes, and the end reveals who the real "big bad" is that has been using Marco Inaros as a pawn. There is no grand space battle, and no one - even Inaros - is defeated.

    The book worked because it was essentially a giant disaster novel. We get to see the Solar System spin apart at the seams due to what Marcos unleashed. There's a touch of that in the series with Amos's arc, but it seems toned down compared to the novel. And they have really, really gutted the Alex/Bobbie plotline to almost nothing in order to provide so much focus onscreen to Naomi.
     
  20. Marc

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    could there have been production issues that caused them to pare back the Bobbie/alex story line - cost, acting ability, cas anwar issues or more likely just a production issues?