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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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"Age of Aquarius"
"Ba'ku (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)"
"Eight Miles High"
"Good Morning Starshine"
"I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)"
"Incense and Peppermints"
"Just Dropped In (to See What Condition My Condition Was In)"
"Sunshine of Your Love"
"Sunshine Superman"
"Younger Than Yesterday"
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"Ba'ku (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)"
"Eight Miles High"
"Good Morning Starshine"
"I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)"
"Incense and Peppermints"
"Just Dropped In (to See What Condition My Condition Was In)"
"Sunshine of Your Love"
"Sunshine Superman"
"Younger Than Yesterday"
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Picard felt left out.
So he made up for it by wearing whatever he wore when he greeted those aliens at the beginning.
I said a lot of them aren't good. I didn't say they're all bad. Mostly I dislike the Temporal Cold War and all of Voyager's episodes of going a few hours back in time.I agree with this. If the series had continued, in my head canon season 8 episode 2 or 3 would include Ezri and Julian's breakup.
I think "holodeck episodes" are underrated/overhated, there weren't that many of them, they weren't all the same and a lot of them were good (although they did tend to get worse as they went on, with some of the last ones of TNG and Voyager being really bad).
Which last TNG/VOY holodeck episodes are talking about? Just curious.
"Emergence(TNG)," perhaps? The one set on the holographic train and focused on the emergent life form created in the Enterprise-D main computer?
Yeah that one was pretty meh, which is kinda disappointing since the concept of the ship becoming sentient (afaik) isn't a concept Star Trek touches much.
You know, I think we throw the word "sentient" (which is actually "sapient" btw) around a bit too cavalierly. Unless there's an actual test that can detect sapience the way we detect body heat for example, and such a test doesn't exist not even in the star trek universe otherwise episodes like "The Measure Of A Man" would be pointless, there is no *** way to tell sapience from a simulation of sapience, if you see what I mean, the way it is impossible to tell a good actor from the real thing... I mean all we have are appearances and that's not enough. There's something called Occam's razor that states that if two explanations are equally valid we must privilege the one that includes the fewer hypotheticals. In that case, until proven otherwise, machines are not sapient.
Sentience is consciousness. Sapience is reason.
Controversial Opinion: I stopped watching VOY in 1999 (no that's not the controversial part, I'm getting to it) and never saw "Spirit Folk". But, I was aware of the reputation and anyone who was on TrekBBS in 1999 and 2000 remembers the infamous thread titled "Spirit Folk! Crap! Crap! Crap!" That was literally the name of the thread title. If you registered after 2000, maybe you might have heard of it through reputation.
"Spirit Folk" also developed a reputation. An infamous one. In 2008, I re-watched VOY from start to finish, watching the last two seasons for the first time. When I got to "Spirit Folk", I have to say...
... it didn't live up to (or should I say down to?) its reputation. Don't misunderstand me. It's not a good episode. But I was expecting "The worst of the worst of the worst! THE WORST EVAR!!!!" And it didn't quite get there for me. It's bad but it's not unwatchable. So I "only" rate it a 3 out of 10.
"Threshold" it's not.
"Spirit Folk" also developed a reputation. An infamous one. In 2008, I re-watched VOY from start to finish, watching the last two seasons for the first time. When I got to "Spirit Folk", I have to say...
... it didn't live up to (or should I say down to?) its reputation. Don't misunderstand me. It's not a good episode. But I was expecting "The worst of the worst of the worst! THE WORST EVAR!!!!" And it didn't quite get there for me. It's bad but it's not unwatchable. So I "only" rate it a 3 out of 10.
"Threshold" it's not.
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Yeah gotta agree with ya on Emergence. Spirit Folk tends to fall into so-bad-its-good territory for me. And I haven't seen Fistful of Datas so can't comment on that. But we still got alotta great ones, like Projections, Bride of Chaotica and Elementary Dear Data.TNG "A Fistful of Datas" and "Emergence", Voyager "Spirit Folk"
City on the Edge of Forever, A Piece of the Action, Little Green Men, & Trials and Tribbleations terrible? We're very different people...
Is that controversial?
I'm with SF Debris: it's horrible because it makes any one who uses holodecks a monster.
I get the guy playing Moriarty was great (and seeing Data dress up as Sherlock Holmes is always fun), but otherwise I never got the love for Elementary Dear Data. The Enterprise computer can ACCIDENTALLY create sentient life? Seriously?
The first half of that post wasn't. The second half (which you didn't quote), referring to 2021, is. See current events. They make the title sound tamer than ever, IMO.
From this point on, when I hear the word "insurrection", I'll have a very different, very real picture in my mind now.
Well the appeal for me is ofc Daniel Davis' performance as Moriarty, the scene with him and Picard debating the nature of life and intersection of AI, fun little period outfits as Data gets really into it, Geordi Pulaski and Data's interactions with eachother. And how it unintentionally gives us the gateway to future Hologram characters(Like The Doctor). But obviously it isn't for everyone.
"Spirit Folk(VOY)" was the better of the two Irish village holoprogram episodes. I really like the two aforementioned TNG episodes.
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